What oil is best? and what ratio?

[Keith Gandy]

Is it possible to have an oil that is suitable for both air cooled and water cooled engines? Is there a rating for that?

Plenty of them. Both Schaffers oils make that claim along with many others. The tcw3 oil has to be thinner to work in the injection sysyems but will work in an air cooled premix but not vice versa , but with less protection if I made a guess. If u try running Motul 800t as thick as it is in a tcw3 injection system it would probably lean it out and be headed for trouble

 

[Keith Gandy]

Fellows the viscosity on both the 7000 and 9000 Schaffers is 4.1 just to let yall know

 

[Dub11]

Fellows the viscosity on both the 7000 and 9000 Schaffers is 4.1 just to let yall know

How do they measure that? We use a zahn cup at work for checking adhesive.

 

[Keith Gandy]

How do they measure that? We use a zahn cup at work for checking adhesive.

Couldnt tell u man but oils like r50 are like 23 and Motul 800t is like 18. Even lighter air cooled oils like Red Armor are somewhere around 10

 

[RI Chevy]

Answered my question with Motul viscosity. Lol
Thanks Keith.

 

[Keith Gandy]

The Schaffers probably is fine but 4.1 on viscosity is about as low as Ive seen. They have to be using some sort of additive for scuff protection to make up for it

 

[Dub11]

Couldnt tell u man but oils like r50 are like 23 and Motul 800t is like 18. Even lighter air cooled oils like Red Armor are somewhere around 10

They use them zahn cup for paint to. It's a pretty simple test. Just dip cup in fluid and time this quickly it will empty. Of course their is 5 different sizes.

 

[Keith Gandy]

Fellows theres another reason Ive heard Ben state for not using tcw3 but my old ass cant remember. My memory is horrible fellows so excuse me. Maybe Ben can come along and line the tcw3 debate out once again!

 

[D B Cooper]

I have ran gallons of this MC1 mixed. Probably 250 gallons plus of mixed gas. No deposit buildup. Lawn boys Trimmers, Blowers ,saws... 42:1
Whats you all take on this SDS ?


bel-ray mc-1 racing full synthetic 2t engine oil item 99400 us_english_0.pdf

 

[Keith Gandy]

Seems I remember Ben stating something in the formulation of Tcw3 thats not suitable and leaves depoists in aircooled engines

 

[Keith Gandy]

I have ran gallons of this MC1 mixed. Probably 250 gallons plus of mixed gas. No deposit buildup. Lawn boys Trimmers, Blowers ,saws... 42:1
Whats you all take on this SDS ?


bel-ray mc-1 racing full synthetic 2t engine oil item 99400 us_english_0.pdf

Ive ran tons of that stuff in CR125, KX125, YZ250, CR500, YZ85, KTM65. Smelled good burning. Im not so fond of their H1R thats gives a coking effect like SuperTechniplate pretty quickly

 

[bwalker]

@tree monkey and redbull have the details. It's Scott's 044.
It's hard to promote an oil that works well in a saw but says tcw3 on the bottle. Too many guys bashing the label. It's also hard to argue with experience

Its not hard to argue with the fact that Stihl and Husky say dobt do it.

 

[bwalker]

Plenty of them. Both Schaffers oils make that claim along with many others. The tcw3 oil has to be thinner to work in the injection sysyems but will work in an air cooled premix but not vice versa , but with less protection if I made a guess. If u try running Motul 800t as thick as it is in a tcw3 injection system it would probably lean it out and be headed for trouble

No its not. You will not find a single oil that meets tcw3 and jaso FD.

 

[Keith Gandy]

No its not. You will not find a single oil that meets tcw3 and jaso FD.

Schaffers 7000 and 9000 both claim it in the SDS Ben

 

[bwalker]

Seems I remember Ben stating something in the formulation of Tcw3 thats not suitable and leaves depoists in aircooled engines

Tcw3 oils are ashless and do not use calcium or other mettalic based detergents. Rather, they use a ashless, nitrogen base dispersent. These dispersents do not function at the ring belt temps an air cooled engine runs at. And that is why the OEM so not to use tcw3 oils.

 

[Keith Gandy]

Tcw3 oils are ashless and do notnuse calcium or other mettalic based detergents. Rather, they use a ashless, nitrogen base dispersent. These disperse ts do not function at the ring belt temps an air cooled engine runs at. And that is why the OEM so not to use tcw3 oils.

Hell I never woulda remembered all that!!! Lol! I figured it was depoists from temp. Differences in formulation

 

[bwalker]

Oh heck! That 9000 is a tcw3 oil also!! If Scott and Redbull say it works in a saw for them I believe it

I have ran that stuff as well as the 7000 in my lawn boy. Its stinks terrible and doesnt burn that clean in my LB.

 

[bwalker]

Schaffers 7000 and 9000 both claim it in the SDS Ben

But they arent certified are they...
Anyone can claim anything but without actually passing the tests and being certified its BS.

 

[jakethesnake]

Tcw3 oils are ashless and do notnuse calcium or other mettalic based detergents. Rather, they use a ashless, nitrogen base dispersent. These disperse ts do not function at the ring belt temps an air cooled engine runs at. And that is why the OEM so not to use tcw3 oils.

Not saying but my oil dude tells me the Lucas is the same oil in both bottles. There’s another bottle that claims fd rating. I’ve used it. Didn’t like it.

Dude is an oil distributer. That’s what he does for a living. I could care less honestly as I won’t use either bottle. I like about everything else Lucas puts out. My ported 346 ate *s-word using the other bottle.

 

[Keith Gandy]

But they arent certified are they...
Anyone can claim anything but without actually passing the tests and being certified its BS.

Ya I guess so. Heres their claim