What oil is best? and what ratio?

[Ron660]

chain for oil test - 4 rolls of .404 RS. We're getting closer to this happening! got some more tests to run first yet. Also working on logs or doing a large 9 cube cant.

I'm more curious to see if the high viscosity oils are any slower (timed cuts), significantly slower, than the lower viscosity oils. Also, more importantly the best ones for bottom end lubrication.

 

[jmssaws]

I just started running 404 and I like it but it's hard to find here so I'll stick with 3\8.

My 064 in that video is stout but not like the 66,I've got a bunch of ported 660's and none of them run like that saw.

Klotz oil of course.

 

[Redbull661]

What are you going to be reporting?
1) lubrication in top and bottom end
2) piston crown appearance
3) power comparison
4) cut times of each oil
5) operating temps

I'm looking forward to your results. Thanks again.

14 chains per roll, numbered in sequence as they come off the roll. Chains grouped per oil in sequence they came off roll. gas bought on same day. have about 35-40 ratios so some how i'll fit 35-40 gallon jugs in my car all measured out exactly with my medical specimen cups (piss cups) on the oil.

bar - 36" tsumura cuz it's most consistent on time out of all the bars I tested with varying pressures applied.

Chain stihl RS .404 7pin - cuz that is what feels the best for testing. Tree Monkey and I tried 7 and 8 pin 404 chains and 3/8ths chains. When we ran 404 RS 7pin we both knew immediately that was the chain for the test.

Saw = ported - cuz will run hotter and stress the oil more. (if not hotter) I do think ported runs harder and will stress the oil more...I think everyone agrees a ported saw needs more oil.

gas - im working on that yet. I am going to test 5 different this friday I think. station 1 87e free vs 92 e free, station 2 91e free , station 3 89e free vs 91e free


wanting to test in 4 logs and do 2 cuts each as fast as possible between cuts...I want to heat up the saw. I want to see the times and I want to see the jug temp after the last cut.

wanting to have 2-3 operators to get multi opinions. tester 1 on log 1 and 2, hand off to tester 2 on log 3, hand off to tester 3 on log 4.

hoping out of the 12 - we get 3-4 clear winners in times and temps.

I will run each of those for 10 tanks and tear down the saw to see how it looks inside.

 

[Ron660]

14 chains per roll, numbered in sequence as they come off the roll. Chains grouped per oil in sequence they came off roll. gas bought on same day. have about 35-40 ratios so some how i'll fit 35-40 gallon jugs in my car all measured out exactly with my medical specimen cups (piss cups) on the oil.

bar - 36" tsumura cuz it's most consistent on time out of all the bars I tested with varying pressures applied.

Chain stihl RS .404 7pin - cuz that is what feels the best for testing. Tree Monkey and I tried 7 and 8 pin 404 chains and 3/8ths chains. When we ran 404 RS 7pin we both knew immediately that was the chain for the test.

Saw = ported - cuz will run hotter and stress the oil more.

gas - im working on that yet. I am going to test 5 different this friday I think. station 1 87e free vs 92 e free, station 2 91e free , station 3 89e free vs 91e free


wanting to test in 4 logs and do 2 cuts each as fast as possible between cuts...I want to heat up the saw. I want to see the times and I want to see the jug temp after the last cut.

wanting to have 2-3 operators to get multi opinions. tester 1 on log 1 and 2, hand off to tester 2 on log 3, hand off to tester 3 on log 4.

hoping out of the 12 - we get 3-4 clear winners in times and temps.

I will run each of those for 10 tanks and tear down the saw to see how it looks inside.

If possible, when you pick the "final four" do a comparison noodling wood. That might help be a deciding factor putting more stress on the oils. Only a suggestion. Thanks
Also, I saw you said a ported saw ran hotter than a stock saw. I must have missed that data in your tests. Interesting.

 

[jmssaws]

I tested ported saw vs stock saw temps one time and the ported saw was cooler so I tested again and they were about the same so maybe I need to do it again.


I've checked cylinder temps lots though and the highest I've seen is 370 degrees.

 

[Ron660]

I just started running 404 and I like it but it's hard to find here so I'll stick with 3\8.

My 064 in that video is stout but not like the 66,I've got a bunch of ported 660's and none of them run like that saw.

Klotz oil of course.

Ever compared a ported 661 to a ported 066 or 660?

 

[jake wells]

what! no supertech? blasphemy!!

 

[Keith Gandy]

I hate to yell u Jason but my 390 doesnt sound or cut anything like that one. With 404 mine would have tore that wood up!!

 

[Windthrown]

Since this thread has flew off the rails,anybody got a 3/4 wrap for a 044?

Oil threads are like that... they skid around the corners off track from being lubed up so much. Like 2 women in the kiddie pool...




Oh, I traded the 3/4 wrap that I had for my 044 with my 044... sorry. I do have the stock muffler cover from it though. You need one of them?

 

[Windthrown]

chain for oil test - 4 rolls of .404 RS. We're getting closer to this happening! got some more tests to run first yet. Also working on logs or doing a large 9 cube cant.

They all look good except that TC-W3 stuff.

 

[jmssaws]

I hate to yell u Jason but my 390 doesnt sound or cut anything like that one. With 404 mine would have tore that wood up!!

I had it running much better before I sold it but still I could beat it.

I'd like to run your 390 and see if my 66 can hang.

 

[Keith Gandy]

I had it running

I had it running much better before I sold it but still I could beat it.

I'd like to run your 390 and see if my 66 can hang.

That would be interesting and ill say u have that 394 and 066/660 singin bro!! My 390 has more rpm in cut than the 390 in the video even with 404

 

[Mastermind]

My hat is off to you Mr Redbull.

You've taken 661 mods, and testing of all things to new heights.

Respect.

 

[Redbull661]

thanks dude.

 

[jmssaws]

With a 36" I don't think a 390 can get me,my 395 can't.

 

[Keith Gandy]

With a 36" I don't think a 390 can get me,my 395 can't.

Ive never ran a bar over 28" on my 390. My 390 was a good screamer with 3/8 and a 28" but the 404 really made her pull like a freight train. Its wearing a Cannon Superbar Plus Widenose with a Stihl 404 skip and buried it doesnt give up. I like it with 404 much better

 

[Moparmyway]

Ive never ran a bar over 28" on my 390. My 390 was a good screamer with 3/8 and a 28" but the 404 really made her pull like a freight train. Its wearing a Cannon Superbar Plus Widenose with a Stihl 404 skip and buried it doesnt give up. I like it with 404 much better

Run full comp

 

[jmssaws]

I've started running some 404. There little difference in power but it stays sharp longer.

 

[jmssaws]

Run full comp

That's what I'm saying

 

[Keith Gandy]

Run full comp

I have some but hadnt ran it