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[paragonbuilder]

That log cabin looks awesome nice job

Thanks!


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[stihl023/5]

Taking advantage of the cooler weather

 

[USMC615]

Gotcha. I spent many years, many years ago, framing houses (couple of older brothers were builders and developers) and of course you get into a ton of all facets of remodeling as well. To this day and it's been years since those days, Ive still got my compressors, hundreds of feet of air hose, three Paslode FrameMaster nail guns, trim guns, miter saws, extension ladders/step ladders, ladder jacks, walkboards, etc, etc, and enough cases of gun 16's and 8's to frame and dry in five houses.

My framing/remodeling days are very few and far btwn nowadays, since my A-6 Intruder / EA-6B Prowler days in the Marine Corps many yrs ago, and working DoD on C-17's for a living and have been for years...I probably oughta put together a damn nice 'package deal' with air compressors, hoses, Paslode framing/trim guns, etc, etc and let it roll...I personally prefer hand driving anyhow to gun shot framing, not that there's anything wrong with gun shot nails, they just don't tighten up at times without a swing from the ol' Estwing framing hammers. It'll damn sure free up some highly needed shop space.

 

[paragonbuilder]

My framing/remodeling days are very few and far btwn nowadays, since my A-6 Intruder / EA-6B Prowler days in the Marine Corps many yrs ago, and working DoD on C-17's for a living and have been for years...I probably oughta put together a damn nice 'package deal' with air compressors, hoses, Paslode framing/trim guns, etc, etc and let it roll...I personally prefer hand driving anyhow to gun shot framing, not that there's anything wrong with gun shot nails, they just don't tighten up at times without a swing from the ol' Estwing framing hammers. It'll damn sure free up some highly needed shop space.

You got that right. Nothing holds and pulls like a hand driven nail. But the guns are good for speed...


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[USMC615]

You got that right. Nothing holds and pulls like a hand driven nail. But the guns are good for speed...


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Exactly...and I've got cases of Paslode 16's in 3", 3 1/4" and 3 1/2" . Sometimes building beams, with two 2x10's or 2x12's and 1/2" OSB sandwiched in btwn, then you run 'bond timber' the 2x2 to rest them on, or notch cut the bottom of ceiling joists, or rafters for a vault ceiling, you gotta finish them off with a good ol' hammer. Depends on how tough the 2x's are more so. You can usually crank up the air pressure and it'll sink most of the 3 1/2" gun 16's. You've been there, you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about.

 

[USMC615]

I can hand drive 16's and toe-nail and make a heavy crowned 2x10, 2x12 look as straight as an arrow..hell we all can who knows what they're doing. Love the cabin build you put up. If I hit the Powerball, you're my man.

 

[exSW]

Guy that broke me in stick framing always insisted we hand nail the walls. We used the guns pre fabbing,headers,kingjack combos,pars and such but the wall assemblies we hand nailed.

 

[USMC615]

Guy that broke me in stick framing always insisted we hand nail the walls. We used the guns pre fabbing,headers,kingjack combos,pars and such but the wall assemblies we hand nailed.

I agree with that. We all here grew up hand driving. I was the first one to buy the Paslode FrameMaster, pneum guns. We still built walls, headers, jacks, by hand driving, standing on top of them on a poured slab. If it was a crawl space house, you build them on the bottom floor after the seals/floor joists/3/4 floor is workable. The guns were more for speeding up the process of shooting the OSB on the roofs, with 8's, their original intent. Didn't take us long how to speed the equation up yrs ago, and gun shoot everything. Crank up the compressors depending on what length 16's we were shooting, sink the head a little and let it roll. I only say this because sometimes we'd frame other builders houses, while we waited on our own. Gotta keep steady to keep the jingle coming in...mouths to feed.

It's damn good talking to a couple of builders here who know what the hell they're talking about. I have zero intentions to go back to those days, too damn old...but if push come to shove, I've got what it takes and a choice of utility trailers to tote it all on.

 

[exSW]

I agree with that. We all here grew up hand driving. I was the first one to buy the Paslode FrameMaster, pneum guns. We still built walls, headers, jacks, by hand driving, standing on top of them on a poured slab. If it was a crawl space house, you build them on the bottom floor after the seals/floor joists/3/4 floor is workable. The guns were more for speeding up the process of shooting the OSB on the roofs, their original intent. Didn't take us long how to speed the equation up yrs ago, and gun shoot everything. Crank up the compressors depending on what length 16's we were shooting, sink the head a little and let it roll. I only say this because sometimes we'd frame other builders houses, while we waited on our own. Gotta keep steady to keep the jingle coming in...mouths to feed.

It's damn good talking to a couple of builders here who know what the hell they're talking about. I have zero intentions to go back to those days, too damn old...but if push come to shove, I've got what it takes and a choice of utility trailers to tote it all on.

The world changed. It's down to everyone frameing for dollers a square foot for the big home companies. Wayne,Summit,Ryan,Houston and others got the UCC passed in most states and can come in with their cookie cutter houses and undercut everyone. And the lenders are helping them.

 

[USMC615]

The world changed. It's down to everyone frameing for dollers a square foot for the big home companies. Wayne,Summit,Ryan,Houston and others got the UCC passed in most states and can come in with their cookie cutter houses and undercut everyone. And the lenders are helping them.

Ain't that the damn truth...white boy can't make a living driving a nail now. Too damn many white boys running that other crew. Funny you mention this...the south of the border boys can shingle a 5,000 sq ft home by the time the sun sets...just slingin' them shingles with those coil guns. And they always for the speed of things, never lap valleys, too damn convenient to lay'em one direction and cut, cut...main roof, dormers and all. Amazing ain't it? I've seen the bastards put two nails per shingle, whether three-tab or architect, so many times, it ain't funny.

 

[exSW]

Costs are a funny thing. I started framing for a custom home builder. All our houses speced Pella or Pella Proline windows. Changed jobs went to a guy who had his own tract of about 300 units. 1800-2200 foot value priced. Used Anderson windows. First time I grabbed one of those Andersons I gave it a heave like I was picking up a like sized Pella. I about threw that *b-word into a tree it was so light an dang near lost my balance.

 

[USMC615]

Ain't that the damn truth...white boy can't make a living driving a nail now. Too damn many white boys running that other crew. Funny you mention this...the south of the border boys can shingle a 5,000 sq ft home by the time the sun sets...just slingin' them shingles with those coil guns. And they always for the speed of things, never lap valleys, too damn convenient to lay'em one direction and cut, cut...main roof, dormers and all. Amazing ain't it? I've seen the bastards put two nails per shingle, whether three-tab or architect, so many times, it ain't funny.

And the shingles will start blowing off with any high wind within two years. Let enough time go by under the roofers' 'warranty' and now you filing with your homeowners insurance, to handle the two nail theory. And the insurance simply hacks your rates...if not, move on. The next homeowners insurance you go to, asks one thing right up front...you ever had any homeowner claims? Lol. Just a vicious circle for the average home buyer who simply looks at the aesthetics of a home and says...I'll take it!! You better get your ass on a ladder, go on the roof, even in the dead heat of the summer, take a small crows foot/little flat crow bar, peel up a shingle, take a look at what you got. Same thing in the attic...look at how the walls/load bearing walls, everything is put together. Stiff leg bracing, wind beams across every other roof rafter, etc.

Most folks think we're talking Hebrew talking like this...and this ain't a ding against anyone who doesn't know framing...hell, if ya don't, my best advice is to hire someone who knows what to look for, when purchasing a home. I think you as well as others would agree with this. The outside appearance of a home can sure make an unsuspecting buyer a fool...cause he didn't know and look at the goods, when it come to the framing or the roof. I've been asked by a couple of dozen friends over the past many yrs, always offering me money for my time which I declined and will not accept, to take a good look at a home they're looking to buy. I've always said the same thing when they offer to pay me...if ya wanna pay somebody, I'll leave, get in in the yellow pages in the phone book, take your chances. I look at everything for them...condenser unit outside, air handler whether in a closet or in the attic, trunk lines the same, from trunk to their legs that end up at registers either in the floor (crawl space) or slab (through the ceiling) that dump inside the house. That's where the cooling and heat is supposed to be ain't it? You wouldn't believe how many legs off of trunk lines that were zip-tied, that failed from summer heat, and you get about 50% of what you're paying for, into your home.

Good to know you two guys Ex, Paragon...know what the hell I'm/we're talking about and I can certainly relate. Of course codes are different based on state/geography, but it's all common sense wherever we're at...I've enjoyed these posts we've had brothers.

 

[USMC615]

Costs are a funny thing. I started framing for a custom home builder. All our houses speced Pella or Pella Proline windows. Changed jobs went to a guy who had his own tract of about 300 units. 1800-2200 foot value priced. Used Anderson windows. First time I grabbed one of those Andersons I gave it a heave like I was picking up a like sized Pella. I about threw that *b-word into a tree it was so light an dang near lost my balance.

I have a couple of Pella sliding glass doors on my house...built like a tank. My little humble 3br/2ba, fireplace house was built in '86. I bought the place in 2007 after I got some monkey bills crawling my back paid off...I'm sure I ain't singing no new tune there brother...but I have a couple of Pella sliding doors. Worth their weight in gold. Lots of folks around here push the Anderson BS, they ain't buying it.

 

[USMC615]

And if there's any other framers, builders, trim folks, remodelers, let's hear it...always a good topic of discussion, and maybe we can create a homeowner, remodeling forum to help each other out.

 

[Stihl working Hard]

Taking advantage of the cooler weather

Greatpics Kevin

 

[stihl023/5]

Greatpics Kevin

Thanks Todd.

 

[greendohn]

Good morning, it might rain later, it's sure to be hot and humid, coffee and the workhouse is scheduled today.

 

[stihl023/5]

Good morning 56*/79*rain later.

 

[Stihl working Hard]

Good morning, it might rain later, it's sure to be hot and humid, coffee and the workhouse is scheduled today.

Good morning greendohn hope you have a great Sunday my friend

 

[Stihl working Hard]

Good morning 56*/79*rain later.

Good morning Kevin