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The OEM vs. AM Cylinder Debate

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Finished up this saw yesterday with the cylinder that I mentioned in my first post. It runs phenomenally well and beats the snot out of my own saw with a Mahle cylinder set up the same. Will be going to a casual firewood cutter. Also very affordable for him with the AM parts used and fully disclosed before it was even built. Not doing this is just flat out wrong in my book. I may not make a pile of money right now, but eventually will make a buck or two when it needs serviced.

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100% needs full disclosure. I believe every part of a build does, that way nothing is ever questioned.

My buddy is getting a clean 026 with the NWP jug. I plan on pulling it apart after 9 months of use and posting the results.
 

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I used a New West jug in the 066 build off.....and won with it.

Then.....I tried my best to make a Meteor 046 top end out perform a OEM top end and could not.

Right now I have a Cross jug on my 661 that is really strong.

In other words.....there are no yes or no answers. No one ever succeeded without trying.

Yes.

No.


There.
 

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My 288 frankensaw that took me 9 month to build(cause i aint no saw wrencher). SCREAMS! I researched AM jugs, easy saw in taiwan has a manufacturing facility that is on par w/any out there.
They made oem jugs n slugs for indonesion built huskys back when.
This saw out cuts my other 288 w/mahle jug! I hotrodded the mahle cylinder to catch up w/taiwan jugged franken saw.

Then i bumped timing on frank, once again it out runs the mahle 288.

Doubt i ever port the damn thing, dont want the bottom end coming apart.
Will jug n slug hold up in the long run?
Only one way to find out...
But for a C note for the top end,
I am very impressed...
 

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100% needs full disclosure. I believe every part of a build does, that way nothing is ever questioned.

My buddy is getting a clean 026 with the NWP jug. I plan on pulling it apart after 9 months of use and posting the results.


Other wise we're just counterfeiters. Lol

 

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its one thing to buy something you think is oem, and get a pile of AM stuff for an oem price...

its another to get upset about a bolt coming loose. that saw might have been fine if that bolt hadn't come loose... of course... I use the word "fine" loosely lol
 

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yep...

or the concept that the "counterfeit" stuff is completely worthless...which is isn't.
I agree! I just built 2 FS250 trimmers and used some plastics which were just as good as the OEM. Who cares if it has the #s stamped inside the plastics. 75$ for a top cover vs 15 for an AM? No brainer for me
 

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Stock Nwp bb cylinder that runs better than any stock oem cylinder I've ran and I'll bet it runs good ported.
Also probably costs as much or more as a new oem p&c so is it worth more or less?
 

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The aftermarket vs OEM debate for me comes down to this: Other than a bunch of saw enthusiasts, most people are not going to invest the money required to "restore" a saw to an OEM condition. Even for pro saws, the majority of them are under $1000 and if a pro gets xxx hours of use out of it, they're going to get another one and carry on.
Aftermarket parts allow the resurrection of saws that would stay dead if there weren't economical options. While most would prefer a saw to be repaired with OEM parts, few would be willing to pay for that status. I rebuild a lot of clamshell saws because frankly, they're not worth fixing. With cheap parts, I can refurb these and still sell them at a "profit" (as long as my time has no value, lol)
So in my opinion, the aftermarket parts aren't taking that much market share from the OEM manufacturers because most aren't going to buy the OEM parts anyway. What the aftermarket parts do is keep name brand saws in circulation that would otherwise be in a dumpster or in a pile in the corner of a shed.
Someone in this thread mentioned a Husky 55 cylinder kit came down from $200 to $100. To me, it's "so what". These saws sell for $175.00 used. Why would someone spend $100 or $200 fixing one? I know, I know, because we're all nuts. But the "real world" just isn't going to do that. Anyway, that's my 8 cents.
 

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yep...

or the concept that the "counterfeit" stuff is completely worthless...which is isn't.
The whole counterfeit thing is just an easy way to push parts with a better profit margin for him... they arent as good as oem (normally, there are exceptions) but they still have their place.


Edit: or better yet, parts that he actually sells!
 

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Stock Nwp bb cylinder that runs better than any stock oem cylinder I've ran and I'll bet it runs good ported.
Also probably costs as much or more as a new oem p&c so is it worth more or less?


A very, very good question, with probably as many answers as people with saws I'm afraid. :(
 

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The aftermarket vs OEM debate for me comes down to this: Other than a bunch of saw enthusiasts, most people are not going to invest the money required to "restore" a saw to an OEM condition. Even for pro saws, the majority of them are under $1000 and if a pro gets xxx hours of use out of it, they're going to get another one and carry on.
Aftermarket parts allow the resurrection of saws that would stay dead if there weren't economical options. While most would prefer a saw to be repaired with OEM parts, few would be willing to pay for that status. I rebuild a lot of clamshell saws because frankly, they're not worth fixing. With cheap parts, I can refurb these and still sell them at a "profit" (as long as my time has no value, lol)
So in my opinion, the aftermarket parts aren't taking that much market share from the OEM manufacturers because most aren't going to buy the OEM parts anyway. What the aftermarket parts do is keep name brand saws in circulation that would otherwise be in a dumpster or in a pile in the corner of a shed.
Someone in this thread mentioned a Husky 55 cylinder kit came down from $200 to $100. To me, it's "so what". These saws sell for $175.00 used. Why would someone spend $100 or $200 fixing one? I know, I know, because we're all nuts. But the "real world" just isn't going to do that. Anyway, that's my 8 cents.

The oems have shot themselves in the foot a bit. I just paid $40 for an intake boot for a stihl 660. This is insane. But, the high price often precludes a lot of buyers from rebuilding their saws...which means the oems get to sell new saws to the average bear. Even at $40 for the part, it doesn't pay the guy behind the counter's wages for that allotted time lol. So in reality they aren't geared towards helping enthusiasts... just geared towards selling new saws. For the tree guys that are busy, it doesn't really pay to get stuff repaired either, just buy new. So for us guys that tinker, the aftermarket has become our playground...fun to make the most of it :)
 

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The oems have shot themselves in the foot a bit. I just paid $40 for an intake boot for a stihl 660. This is insane. But, the high price often precludes a lot of buyers from rebuilding their saws...which means the oems get to sell new saws to the average bear. Even at $40 for the part, it doesn't pay the guy behind the counter's wages for that allotted time lol. So in reality they aren't geared towards helping enthusiasts... just geared towards selling new saws. For the tree guys that are busy, it doesn't really pay to get stuff repaired either, just buy new. So for us guys that tinker, the aftermarket has become our playground...fun to make the most of it :)
For 40$ I can get a few complete rubber kits from dd.
I've had to buy a 40$ before though
 

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I've done many rebuilds for people i price oem and am and give them the choice and i can't remember the last oem pistons or cylinders i bought lol
It just isn't worth putting oem money into an older saw used mainly for firewooders or homeowners the am cylinders have been usable sometimes a little casting cleanup or relieving sharp edges but I've bought some huztl 372s cylinders that look near oem and they were like 22.00 shipped i ordered two 372 kits from hl deal of the day they haven't arrived yet to check out.
 
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