Pferd 2 in 1 File System

[RI Chevy]

Carlton .325 Full Chisel on a 16" bar

 

[jakethesnake]

Carlton .325 Full Chisel on a 16" bar

Nothing wrong with those cutters is that using the 2 in 1

 

[RI Chevy]

No, I hit them up yesterday with just a round file with the basic guide. But you can see the rakers all rounded over. I hit them previously with the 2 in 1 which really took the rakers down. Really affected the cut, not to my liking. So I have been just filing the teeth with a round file.

 

[Dub11]

I have found using the 2n1 if I almost hold it up and try not to apply and down ward pressure it keeps from really hitting the rakers

 

[RI Chevy]

I will give that a try next time. Thanks

 

[jakethesnake]

I have found using the 2n1 if I almost hold it up and try not to apply and down ward pressure it keeps from really hitting the rakers

That's about what I was thinking. I think this 2 in 1 would be a great tool for when rakers specifically need dressed as I hate doing them

 

[RI Chevy]

Yup. I found out the hard way. Lol
Very easy tool to use. Just don't use it on a new chain. It does file the rakers very easily and simple.

 

[Philbert]

Wow. OK. So there is no standard for angles?

The manufacturers' recommended angles are just starting points for general use. When sharpening your own chain, you get to choose; based on type of wood, type of cutting; saw power; preferences; etc.

Cutter profiles may also vary between brands, so you might find differences in 'optimal' sharpening angles with different chains.

I try to file at the 25 degree angle with a slight angle up.

Check the instructions. Some file guides are only supposed to be used at a o degree 'down angle'; some have a 10 degree down angle built in, so you don't want to try and 'over ride' it.

Good point on the amount of pressure affecting depth gauge height. The 2-In-1 is a nice, simple guide, but allows less customization and finesse than doing the depth gauges in a separate step.

Philbert

 

[Dub11]

But if your a simple person like me that 2n1 one is probably the best was to keep a chain sharp and maybe safer by having both hands on it but. And yes now after finding this site Ive have started playing withe angles while sharping

 

[Slacker]

I was about to make a new post about the Pferd grabby arse 2-1 tool when I saw this one.
I bought the 7/32 version for my 3/8 chains.
***It is setup as .30 raker depth***
See the pic I attached showing the stamping. Apparently, the 7/32 is made for .404 guage chain!! I'm so confused.
I dont see a 3/8 version of this tool.
I saw the same issue, rakers too low.
I'm planning to remove the flat file and just use it as a round file jig.
Otherwise it will be $30 wasted.

 

[Wood Chopper]

on their site there is a 13/64 version for 3/8 I think I bought both of mine on amazon.

Oregon chains recommend 7/32 and stihl reccomends 13/64 obviously you use the one that gives the result you are after

 

[Dub11]

I was about to make a new post about the Pferd grabby arse 2-1 tool when I saw this one.
I bought the 7/32 version for my 3/8 chains.
***It is setup as .30 raker depth***
See the pic I attached showing the stamping. Apparently, the 7/32 is made for .404 guage chain!! I'm so confused.
I dont see a 3/8 version of this tool.
I saw the same issue, rakers too low.
I'm planning to remove the flat file and just use it as a round file jig.
Otherwise it will be $30 wasted.

View attachment 206981

https://www.pferdusa.com/products/201b/201b01/201b010503P.html


If its to grabby add more POWA!

 

[Cut4fun]

I was wondering where they set the rakers at?

Only one I seen post saying was the slacker on saying 30 on the 7/32 one.

I have a regular stihl file guide I won years back that says 404 7/32. IMO that is a stihl thing. I use 7/32 for 3/8. Then 13/64 when the tooth is wore back.

 

[Slacker]

http://www.forestapps.com/articles/...inforHomeTreeCareLoggingArboristsFirewood.htm

Note: The 7/32 file tool shows for .404", this is for .404" full profile saw chain only. The 3/8 tool is for the full profile 3/8" and uses a 13/64" file.

** The .404" tool will not position correctly on 3/8" chain.**

The tool comes in 5/32, 3/16, 13/64 and 7/32 versions. These versions are a little more chain pitch specific than the standard tool. The spread of the support rails are different in placement to meet the tooth types- a little more specifically. Meaning you have to have the proper size tool for .325” pitch chain. Low profile .325 chain versions took the 5/32 and full profile the 3/16 version.


So based on the article, the ONLY option for 3/8 is the 13/64 file version.

I bought the 7/32 version because it matched the recommended file size of the chain manufacturer. Jokes on me.
I cant help but wonder how many others fell in this same trap.

 

[CR888]

Its pretty simple....you bought the wrong tool. Complaining about it not working well on 3/8 chain is kinda silly when it clearly says both on the tool, pack & parts shelf ID code that its a 7/32 .404 file guide. 'You' presumed as it used a 7/32 file it was suited for 3/8. Maybe getting some advice at the dealer would have had you going home with the correct tool. 'Presumption is the mother of mistake'

 

[Philbert]

I bought the 7/32 version for my 3/8 chains.
I'm planning to remove the flat file and just use it as a round file jig.
Otherwise it will be $30 wasted.

The 2-in-1 tool was invented by Pferd, and sold in different colors by STIHL (and maybe some others).

https://www.pferdusa.com/products/201b/201b01/201b010503P.html

https://www.stihl.com/STIHL-power-t...intenance/21750-63674/2-in-1-file-holder.aspx

STIHL recommends that their 3/8" pitch chain be sharpened with a 13/64" diameter file. Oregon recommends a 7/32" file. Are the chains that different, or only the manufacturers' recommendations? You have uncovered a corollary difference related to the depth gauge setting on these 2-in-1 tools.

You have a couple of options:
- return / exchange the file guide, if that is possible;
- sell yours on CL or the OPE Classified Ads and buy the 13/64" one;
- switch to a conventional file guide and depth gauge tool.

The fixed parameters of the 2-in-1 tool (30° top plate angle, 'hook' angle, depth gauge offset) are attractive to some folks for simplicity, but frustrating to those who want to adjust or customize settings. If you are going to pull out the depth gauge file, you might as well look into a different type of guide.

Philbert

 

[Slacker]

on their site there is a 13/64 version for 3/8 I think I bought both of mine on amazon.

Oregon chains recommend 7/32 and stihl reccomends 13/64 obviously you use the one that gives the result you are after

I guess the point is that oregon recommends a 7/32 file so that is the size I chose. Made sense.
Unfortunately, that is the wrong choice.
I think many others have made the same mistake, especially buying off Amazon.
No mention is made on Raker settings or chain gauge.

ETA, looks like they now have .030 depth guage in the description.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0046VN5Z6?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

 

[Deets066]

I recently purchased Two of the Pferd 2 in 1 chain file systems from Bailey's. They seemed like a good deal, so I pulled the trigger and got them. I got one in .325 and one in 3/8. About $34.99 each plus shipping.

I had a couple of new Carlton Full Chisel Chains that I had only used for a few cuts, and I was curious to see how these files worked. I was also curious to see if my rakers were high on a new chain. Keep in mind that these chains cut really well, and did not have one stroke done to them to touch up or sharpen them. They were new out of the box chains. So I decided to sharpen these chains. One in .325 Full Chisel and one in 3/8 Full Chisel with this new sharpener.

The sharpener actually was very easy to use and sharpened very well. I did both chains. When I went to use the saws after I used this 2 in 1 filing system, the chains were extremely grabby. Almost to the point that the saws would bog down and stop in the cut. I found out the hard way when I was felling a tree in one of my videos. I knew the rakers were to low.

So needless to say, I wasn't impressed at all with this Pferd 2 in 1 filing system. This is the same as the Stihl 2 in 1 file that is sold by Stihl in orange instead of blue.

In chatting with a few other members, primarily @dall, he also observed the same issue, as he had just recently purchased the Stihl version. We both came up to the same conclusion that the saw chains were too grabby in the wood after sharpening with this new file setup. It took the rakers a little to low while sharpening.

After I used the saws with the chains, I went back, old school, and took a few strokes off of the cutters to see if the chains would get any better. They are slowly coming back and cutting better, with each time I sharpen them with just a file and a simple guide to the teeth. Not sure if I should keep using this, or if I will run into the same issues.

In the past, I used to sharpen the teeth with a basic file guide, and as I noticed the chain not cutting as well, I would take a stroke off each raker as needed. The chain would naturally then cut a little better, and I would repeat this process throughout the life of the chain.

Any thoughts? Anyone here use this Pferd/Stihl 2 in 1 file system? Am I doing something wrong?
I know, I need to learn how to square file. LOL

Thanks in advance for your help.

http://opeforum.com/threads/stihl-progressive-depth-gauge-tools.18288/

 

[RI Chevy]

I never realized this either. Odd
After use with 3/8, I always felt like the rakers were too low. Chain was aggressive. I will check mine tomorrow.

 

[wcorey]

I guess the point is that oregon recommends a 7/32 file so that is the size I chose. Made sense.
Unfortunately, that is the wrong choice.
I think many others have made the same mistake, especially buying off Amazon.
No mention is made on Raker settings or chain gauge.

ETA, looks like they now have .030 depth guage in the description.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0046VN5Z6?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

The second answer to the first question on amazon points out the file size/chain pitch/file guide selection quite clearly.
You would think it would be in the description but...