MS400.1 c-m

[FederalQ]

I don‘t know if I have posted the link correctly. From the Forstbrüder channel and it‘s in German.

 

[jeffkrib]

Not much new about the Ms400.1, it's s mainly marketing speel. Its a completely new ground up redesign.
They claim when people run it they think it feels like a fuel injected saw due to the reduced rotating mass.
Another feature is an improved rear handle design they claim gives better feel and control.

Most of the video was talking about the hexa chain.

 

[Catfishclark89]

I mean it looks cool. Can the specs be found anywhere? Availability date?

 

[Woodpecker]

My German is super rusty but he says 5.3 hp and 5.5 kg (12.125 lbs.)… So similar horsepower and 2/3 of a pound lighter than the current 400.

No other specs were given other than a brief mention of a lighter crankshaft thus faster revs. I believe there was also mention of heated handles before they started in on the hexa shtuff.

Personally I hate the white on orange look of the lettering on the newer Stihl saws. I know it doesn’t affect the function of the saw but It looks super cheap.

 

[FederalQ]

I believe it‘s 62.6cc and no magnesium piston. Release is set for 2025 in Europe.

 

[MG porting]

For how much it weighs and power id rather run a ms440.

 

[huskihl]

For how much it weighs and power id rather run a ms440.

It’s almost 1.5 lbs lighter than a 440. The weight is more like running an 036. Power is similar to a 440 though

 

[hacskaroly]

I mean it looks cool. Can the specs be found anywhere? Availability date?

You can find information on Stihl's site:

MS 400cm

Its a pound heaver than the 261 and only 0.4 HP more...but it has a magnesium piston!!

What Stihl says about it: "Designed for the most demanding tree care and forestry professionals, the STIHL MS 400 C-M is built with STIHL M-Tronic™ engine technology to deliver low exhaust emission, fuel-efficient performance even under changing conditions. Unlike its aluminum piston-equipped counterparts, the advanced magnesium piston in the MS 400 C-M provides greater displacement, power, and torque without additional weight. A long-life HD2 air filter means you simply clean it instead of replacing it, while a pre-separation system removes large debris before it even gets to the air filter, increasing run time between cleanings."

 

[Catfishclark89]

You can find information on Stihl's site:

MS 400cm

Its a pound heaver than the 261 and only 0.4 HP more...but it has a magnesium piston!!

What Stihl says about it: "Designed for the most demanding tree care and forestry professionals, the STIHL MS 400 C-M is built with STIHL M-Tronic™ engine technology to deliver low exhaust emission, fuel-efficient performance even under changing conditions. Unlike its aluminum piston-equipped counterparts, the advanced magnesium piston in the MS 400 C-M provides greater displacement, power, and torque without additional weight. A long-life HD2 air filter means you simply clean it instead of replacing it, while a pre-separation system removes large debris before it even gets to the air filter, increasing run time between cleanings."

Well I have the first gen ms400cm. But the saw in the video is different. But the 400cm is actually 5.4hp vs the 4.0 of the 261 (according to stihl’s site.)

 

[hacskaroly]

But the 400cm is actually 5.4hp vs the 4.0 of the 261

You are correct, I saw it wrong. 1.5 hp difference!!

 

[FederalQ]

Not much new about the Ms400.1, it's s mainly marketing speel. Its a completely new ground up redesign.
They claim when people run it they think it feels like a fuel injected saw due to the reduced rotating mass.
Another feature is an improved rear handle design they claim gives better feel and control.

Most of the video was talking about the hexa chain.

Looks very hoosk-farnish! Maybe Hexa chain is not selling that well...

 

[Hoser]

In my neck of the woods hexa chain is not selling at all. The files cost too much and people think it’s a gimmick.

 

[huskihl]

In my neck of the woods hexa chain is not selling at all. The files cost too much and people think it’s a gimmick.

Pretty much a gimmick. It can be faster than round because it cuts a slightly narrower kerf. Round file a Hexa chain with the same attack angles as the Hexa file does and the round chain is faster. Round has a smooth arc and none of the corners like Hexa making it smoother and faster

 

[hacskaroly]

In my neck of the woods hexa chain is not selling at all. The files cost too much and people think it’s a gimmick.

Pretty much a gimmick. It can be faster than round because it cuts a slightly narrower kerf. File a Hexa chain with the same attack angles as the Hexa file does and the round chain is faster. Round has a smooth arc and none of the corners like Hexa making it smoother and faster

I saw a video comparing hexa, square, round (sharpened before use) and round out of the box. Cutting cookies, Hexa was fastest with square cut about a second behind and round sharpened before use was a second behind square. Round out of the box was about 4 seconds behind the round chain that was sharpened.

If you can find them I imagine that the files for the hexa chain is $$, kind of like the double-bevel files for square cutters.

 

[Hoser]

Hexa files here are $10-12 a piece. A dozen round files is $30, $24 if I’m doing a bulk order at the saw shop.
Even if it was faster I’m still not buying any

 

[hacskaroly]

Hexa files here are $10-12 a piece. A dozen round files is $30, $24 if I’m doing a bulk order at the saw shop.

If you are buying, I will take 3, if not, then I will stick with what I have

 

[Squareground3691]

Hexa files here are $10-12 a piece. A dozen round files is $30, $24 if I’m doing a bulk order at the saw shop.
Even if it was faster I’m still not buying any

Amick's Outdoor Equipment Superstore

 

[huskihl]

I saw a video comparing hexa, square, round (sharpened before use) and round out of the box. Cutting cookies, Hexa was fastest with square cut about a second behind and round sharpened before use was a second behind square. Round out of the box was about 4 seconds behind the round chain that was sharpened.

If you can find them I imagine that the files for the hexa chain is $$, kind of like the double-bevel files for square cutters.

I can make a video of semi chisel out-cutting all of them if that would make a difference. It’s all about the angles used. Poorly sharpened square can be slower than a well-filed semi if different angles are used. But that’s the reason I mentioned using the same “attack” angles on the side and top plates.

Using the same chain (not using hexa nk) and same angles round filed will be faster. Square is different because it uses 2 chisels at around 40-60° depending on how it’s sharpened, and that’s not really doable on a round chain

 

[TX_Welder]

Looks very hoosk-farnish! Maybe Hexa chain is not selling that well...

I know dealers in my area don't even know what hexa chain is. I found one in my ao that was able to order it. Tried to order two 28" loops and two files. I got one each and it took a couple months to get them.

It's alright but it ain't all that. When I where the file out I'll just end up round filing it.

 

[whitesnake]

That 400 is starting to look a bit like a 5 series.