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I'm not sure our local Redmax guy even sells saws. I'll stop and ask Mark next time I go by there. He sells all that yard maintenance equipment. Lots of chain in Oregon and does a healthy mower and tool repair buss. I have known his head wrench Tom for 40 years. He is aces on fixing stuff. Ex street-stock clay racer. They should know whats what. I'll see if they even have a new saw lineup for next year.
 

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None of the Redmax (or Shindaiwa, for that matter) dealers around here keep those brands of saws in stock. In fact, all of them sell a competitor as their saw line. I don't see that changing. If you're already well established with Stihl, Husky, Echo, or even Dolmar why are you going to tie up your own money and shelf space on a saw line that has little following compared to the aforementioned brands, and any sales would likely come from the odd Redmax weedeater and blower user who needs a saw and probably won't buy more than one?
 

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I've owned a plethora of saws and can't say I've really ever noticed the angle of the handle on a saw I was using. Well, maybe noticed it, but it didn't adversely affect my use of it in the moment.
 

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Wow, over there also? I thought this was mostly a US only thing. Looks like it's a global deal for Jonsered. Sticking Red Max decals on the saws may be the US only part of what they are doing.

You raised another interesting point: Who's going to be doing warranty work on the saws sold at the box stores? There really isn't going to be any Jonsered dealers after this transition. That will have to be handled the same as the Poulan stuff is and through the Husky dealer network.

One reason I won't do the Red Max saws is that I absolutely hate having to re-tell a story over and over. Especially one like this. I'm not going to explain 100's of times what happened to Jonsered, who and what Red Max is, and most galling of all, why there are still Jonsered labeled saws at TSC.

I'm actually going to dump the saws I have in stock, and when they're gone that's it. I'll post the price list a little later this morning if anyone's interested. Some are already spoken for. but we have a few dozen saws in stock.
It looks to be a global yes.

You're doing a correct decission Bob, you know where the brand JRed end, and no one is granted that Husky will continue on a long run with RedMax, if I where a Husky dealer in US as you are I would try to press Husky to deliver the 560 over there, 2260 is the only chainsaw JRed sold over there that Husky didnt.

Warranty work is another issue, when we had Mculloch chainsaws around here they struggled big time to find any dealers to do the warranty work, eventually they found one in the neightbour province to do the work, it never ended well. Its actually the same box store companies who molested Mculloch whos gone be allowed to sell JRed around here, that was the main reason why my close JRed dealer decided to let JRed go, and he has been JRed dealer for 20+ years.
 

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Or drive the Jonsered dealers to Husqvarna.......

That's their hopes. The saw users though are a finicky bunch and some don't like the weird angled handlebar. Stihl is more straight across and will be an easier adjuatment
Agree with both of you.

Its easy for an JRed dealer to swap over to Husky, it doesnt change much for them, parts, warranty, etc is the same.

Mike has a good point here, I also found Stihl and JRed handlebar to fit me well, when I first got used to the Husky handle bar I struggled to go the other way though.
 

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the problem with pushing the jred dealers to husky is that some of us have husky dealers 5 miles away, I can easily swap to redmax because the closest redmax dealer is 30+ miles but given the track record of husky with dixon, redmax, jred I am not real keen on putting more time and money into a brand that may or may not exist 2 yrs from now
 

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I will say I admire Stihl for requiring that their dealers service what they sell, even if that limits how many outlets are selling them.
 

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I will say I admire Stihl for requiring that their dealers service what they sell, even if that limits how many outlets are selling them.
you need to come to ohio....stihl dealer on every street corner. until the one shop closed because of health reasons we had 6 dealers within 6 miles in a city of 20k. now we only have 5 dealers and i'm driving an hour to get to a decent one even though i literally have a dealer 2 miles from my shop and my dad drives past those 5 other dealers to come to the shop every day
 

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I will say I admire Stihl for requiring that their dealers service what they sell, even if that limits how many outlets are selling them.

Limits how many outlets are selling them? Don't be fooled by the "no box store/servicing dealers only" hype they put out. Stihl will sign up anybody that can hold a pen. And they are also signing up "regional" chains of hardware stores and home centers that only differ from Lowes and Home Depot in that they are not nation wide chains. And the "service and parts" promise is frequently compromised by things like, "we only have service in our main store" in another town. That Virginia Beach facility is huge and they gotta feed the monster. :)

Husky has a catelog with over 200 SKUs and they won't even talk to former Jonsered dealers that only want saws. If you can't be a full line, or at least do some wheeled goods, they don't want you. Husky isn't as bad as Stihl with a dealer on every corner, but they too put too many dealers in most markets.

Power equipment is a needs based business. Doesn't really grow much beyond the rate of inflation, and can have wild swings that are almost entirely due to the weather. So, all of these companies can only gain at each other's expense. But corporations anywhere in the world want growth. No matter how good a year you had, they want growth the following year. Everyone is responsible for growth from the sales reps on up to the CEO's. Don't hit you goals and you might have to hit your keyboard and work on your resume. There was a drought and the grass turned brown? It didn't snow all winter? No excuse.

That pressure leads to some pretty strange "shot in the dark" ideas like Red Max comercial mowers. Seems like an obviously dumb idea, but these guys are under constant pressure to come up with something new. No new ideas, then why are you there? So, sometimes they pick the least stupid from a list of bad ideas and hope for the best.

Inject a little dose of that reality in a sales meeting for one of these companies, and it will be your last. But this idea seems so flawed that it's hard to believe anyone would actually sign off on it. Certainly not anyone who has been in the industry for very many years. But then again, many of the people calling these shots don't have the needed experience to make an intelligent decision. They come from totally unrelated industries, but have "proven management skills" and a degree from a good school. Leaders of men and all that crap. It's a joke, but that's the way businesses operate, and we get some schemes that are truly doomed form the start. The sad part is that a lot of people get all kinds of stress, grief and lose their jobs because they can't sell someone else's stupid idea.
 

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Well, I didn't mean to imply that all Stihl dealers are good ones. What I meant was, Stihl is at least trying to make them offer service after the sale. The Ace Hardware I usually shop at is an Echo retailer. I don't mean dealer, I mean retailer because they won't service them. All they do is sell new machines and parts. I don't know if that is kosher with Echo but that is how they do it. It doesn't bother me because I fix my own but it would suck if you had to get it fixed under warranty and had to go to several Echo places to find one that would fix it.
 

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Limits how many outlets are selling them? Don't be fooled by the "no box store/servicing dealers only" hype they put out. Stihl will sign up anybody that can hold a pen. And they are also signing up "regional" chains of hardware stores and home centers that only differ from Lowes and Home Depot in that they are not nation wide chains. And the "service and parts" promise is frequently compromised by things like, "we only have service in our main store" in another town. That Virginia Beach facility is huge and they gotta feed the monster. :)

Husky has a catelog with over 200 SKUs and they won't even talk to former Jonsered dealers that only want saws. If you can't be a full line, or at least do some wheeled goods, they don't want you. Husky isn't as bad as Stihl with a dealer on every corner, but they too put too many dealers in most markets.

Power equipment is a needs based business. Doesn't really grow much beyond the rate of inflation, and can have wild swings that are almost entirely due to the weather. So, all of these companies can only gain at each other's expense. But corporations anywhere in the world want growth. No matter how good a year you had, they want growth the following year. Everyone is responsible for growth from the sales reps on up to the CEO's. Don't hit you goals and you might have to hit your keyboard and work on your resume. There was a drought and the grass turned brown? It didn't snow all winter? No excuse.

That pressure leads to some pretty strange "shot in the dark" ideas like Red Max comercial mowers. Seems like an obviously dumb idea, but these guys are under constant pressure to come up with something new. No new ideas, then why are you there? So, sometimes they pick the least stupid from a list of bad ideas and hope for the best.

Inject a little dose of that reality in a sales meeting for one of these companies, and it will be your last. But this idea seems so flawed that it's hard to believe anyone would actually sign off on it. Certainly not anyone who has been in the industry for very many years. But then again, many of the people calling these shots don't have the needed experience to make an intelligent decision. They come from totally unrelated industries, but have "proven management skills" and a degree from a good school. Leaders of men and all that crap. It's a joke, but that's the way businesses operate, and we get some schemes that are truly doomed form the start. The sad part is that a lot of people get all kinds of stress, grief and lose their jobs because they can't sell someone else's stupid idea.


Truth brother, truth.
 

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Ok, I think Spike60 officially owns this thread!

Bob is brilliant. I have learned a lot from the saw model videos he has done on Husq and jonsred. @Spike60 have you done a video on the 281 or 288 saws? Also the 298, 2100, and 2101? We need some solid history on those models.
 

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@Spike60

Well said sir. Did you get your bussiness education in school or in the trenches?

Trenches! Closing in on 30 years in the biz. :eek:

Experience is a good teacher. Which makes it funny to listen to guys who have been selling cameras or dog food stand up at a meeting and tell us how to run our businesses.
 
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