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Funny but my Jonny rep who is always the last to know anything, neither confirmed or denied this news. "Let's talk on Monday. Seems odd but I think you're on the right track."

I don't know what will happen with TSC. They lost the orange saws as Husky and Lowes determined that they would be the one mass retail channel.
 

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Don't think you would see Redmax brand in tractor supply. Most stores complained when they switched to jred from husq.

I heard from a source 22 months ago that this would happen. That same source said that tractor supply would source there own chainsaw brand.

Certainly wouldn't work as a premium brand. with premium price points. Only way an unknow brand can sell is on price, so sourcing some cheap saw from China would be better for sales.

Funny, but I have 2 completely different reactions to this. As a hobby/collector guy, it's a bummer to see the Jonsered brand go away. Even though I can still enjoy and use all of the Jonny's I have.

But as a dealer/business guy, I really don't care at all. My Huskys outsell the Jonnys by a ratio of 17 to 1. Honestly not much of a compelling argument in even being a Jonseed dealer at those numbers when you think about it. And that line of thinking is obviously a part of the corporate decision here.
 
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Stihl has already gone this route, and their independent dealers in Utah are dropping them at an accelerated rate. The #1 dealer (Speed's) is really getting annoyed with the ACE Hardware and regional Farm Supply retailer deals. The shop where I work part time, dropped Stihl 18 months ago. They were doing $250,000 in sales.

I wonder if the move to push RedMax is an effort to recapture some of the market lost to Echo?
Stopped into two ACE stores for a few Stihl parts to repair a saw and neither could find their backsides with both hands.
 

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I doubt any of us are surprised or at least shouldn't be. Any of my local dealers either quit the line or at least had nothing good to say about the distribution for many years now. It's a shame because they've got a great line of saws now if they would just quit being lazy and make a little more effort in supporting the dealers.
 

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Oh and on a side note had my MMWS 2188 out to cut some cookies and my 7 year old goes man why do you have the BOSS out lol. So that's it's name now lol.
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I decided to look up what local dealers were currently listed as Jonsered dealers locally. The only one I knew off the top of my head is about 20 minutes out side of town.

The city of Winnipeg is about 700 000 people and has 10 Stihl Dealers and 7 Husqvarna Dealers (not counting box stores). The only J-red dealer listed is a heavy truck dealership (Western Star) and their website makes no mention of any OPE neither J-Red or Husky. I might have to drive by sometime and check it out more closely as I have driven past this place 100's of times and never noticed anything...
 

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But as a dealer/business guy, I really don't care at all. My Huskys outsell the Jonnys by a ratio of 17 to 1. Honestly not much of a compelling argument in even being a Jonseed dealer at those numbers when you think about it. And that line of thinking is obviously a part of the corporate decision here.

That does make good business sense, to do away with a corporate twin brand that is not very popular. What makes no sense at all, is to replace it with a brand that has almost zero recognition in chainsaws, and most people outside commercial landscaping and mowing have never heard of and will assume is just another forgettable here today/gone tomorrow.

I think this experiment will translate into a net loss for Husky. Why not let Jonny just focus on saws and Redmax do the weedeaters and blowers? Both brands would then be in their respective areas of strength and everyone would be happy. Same with Makita and Dolmar. Let the saws continue to be Dolmar, everything else Makita.
 

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That does make good business sense, to do away with a corporate twin brand that is not very popular. What makes no sense at all, is to replace it with a brand that has almost zero recognition in chainsaws, and most people outside commercial landscaping and mowing have never heard of and will assume is just another forgettable here today/gone tomorrow.

I think this experiment will translate into a net loss for Husky. Why not let Jonny just focus on saws and Redmax do the weedeaters and blowers? Both brands would then be in their respective areas of strength and everyone would be happy. Same with Makita and Dolmar. Let the saws continue to be Dolmar, everything else Makita.

I get what you are saying, and agree that each brand has a particular strength. But the trick here is to think outside of the chainsaw box, which few of us do on a chainsaw site. The companies like to think in terms of a complete line. Supporting different brands for different product categories is too costly and doesn't work very well.

And we have to keep in mind that they already gave Jonsered first crack at being a complete line. They made Jonsered lawn mowers, tractors, zero turns, snow blowers, and trimmers and blowers; some from Red Max. So, how'd that work out? It went nowhere. Most dealers wanted nothing to do with it, me being one of them. Jonsered is known for chainsaws and chainsaws only. Where did they expect Jonsered tractors to sell? So, Jonsered had it's chance to be something more.

The other thing about Red Max vs Jonsered, and I think this is what Randy was getting at: In some landscape markets such as here in the Northeast, Red Max is a serious, dominant, top tier brand. In many areas they are the only brand that can match Stihl in trimmer and backpack sales. And they have continued to gain share as many users prefer the strato 2 strokes to Stihl's 4-mix technology. This is huge business with huge dollars.

Jonsered on the other hand really doesn't dominate anywhere. They are a second tier brand who's days as a major player are in the distant past. They fill some holes in some areas, but they struggle just to hang on to what they have. Try to think of a Jonsered dealer who moves as many units as his local Husky and Stihl guys do? They are few and far between if any.

So, looking at the 2 brands in that context, you have to conclude that Red Max is the stronger of the two, and the better candidate to develope further. And now Red Max dealers can have some decent saws. Kind of like Echo in a way. Primarily known for trimmers and blowers, but with some good saws in the lineup.

Last, and then I gotta go out and split some wood. The competition in the big landscape markets that I referred to earlier is fierce and it involves more than just Red Max and Stihl; it's the same with the mowers. These are also fairly mature markets in the sense that the big dealers already have the big brands, and signing guys up to new brands is not too easy. Red Max is already in many of those dealers, so whether it's saws or mowers, there's an opening for the company to get some additional business in a very competitive market.
 

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I actually agree with your post. Jonsered products other than saws are a loser and waste of effort. And, Redmax is clearly a competitive brand in 2 stroke machines other than chainsaws.

What makes zero sense to me is, discontinue the one thing Jonny can compete with (even if on a small scale) and give it to a brand that won't even accomplish that much with it and currently sells no saws here. It would make more sense to revitalize Poulan as the second tier saw line.
 

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Funny but my Jonny rep who is always the last to know anything, neither confirmed or denied this news. "Let's talk on Monday. Seems odd but I think you're on the right track."

I don't know what will happen with TSC. They lost the orange saws as Husky and Lowes determined that they would be the one mass retail channel.

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There's a shop just up the street from me that not that long ago picked up the Jonsered brand for their OPE line. Small shop that does other things like snowmobiles and outboards and such. I'm thinking this will be hard for a place like this with little options of picking up something else to replace it. Almost like the small hardware store that was selling Dolmar's until the Makita makeover. I asked them if they still sold any saws, and he said to me that Makita wanted ten thousand dollars worth of parts stocked and on hand or pack sand. So they packed sand. So I'm going to hazard a guess that this will be hard on the little shops most of all.

Having so many models of the same thing, with nothing unique about them than the appearance and color schemes doesn't seem to be working out so good. Everyone pretty much figured out over time that Jonsered is just a Husqvarna with red lip stick.
 

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I actually agree with your post. Jonsered products other than saws are a loser and waste of effort. And, Redmax is clearly a competitive brand in 2 stroke machines other than chainsaws.

What makes zero sense to me is, discontinue the one thing Jonny can compete with (even if on a small scale) and give it to a brand that won't even accomplish that much with it and currently sells no saws here. It would make more sense to revitalize Poulan as the second tier saw line.

The guys in this thread are mostly thinking about the Redmax presence here in the states- what about in Asia? Other third world markets? I know Jonsered never had any kind of presence in Central/South America, Africa, or a lot of Asian countries. I know Redmax has a strong following in Asia.
 

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im with bob on this if i had to chose a redmax over a stihl or jonsered i would chose the redmax because they still produce a awesome product to me and redmax is big in my area .

its 6 companies running redmax to every one using stihl or Husqvarna and it will be nice to see redmax having a chainsaw line again and it might offer a different price point over the conventional orange brother being sold.
 

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The other thing about Red Max vs Jonsered, and I think this is what Randy was getting at: In some landscape markets such as here in the Northeast, Red Max is a serious, dominant, top tier brand. In many areas they are the only brand that can match Stihl in trimmer and backpack sales. And they have continued to gain share as many users prefer the strato 2 strokes to Stihl's 4-mix technology. This is huge business with huge dollars.

That is exactly what I was getting at. If I had a truck full of RedMax blowers and trimmers.......and they were solid performers at a good price point, I'd expect the RedMax saws to be just as good. When I needed to grab a saw for that odd job that required me to clear out a few big bushes, or a couple of small trees........I'd get a RedMax saw.

We all know how brand loyal we become..........cause Husky sucks. Err.......I mean cause Creamsickles blow.......
 

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That is exactly what I was getting at. If I had a truck full of RedMax blowers and trimmers.......and they were solid performers at a good price point, I'd expect the RedMax saws to be just as good. When I needed to grab a saw for that odd job that required me to clear out a few big bushes, or a couple of small trees........I'd get a RedMax saw.

We all know how brand loyal we become..........cause Husky sucks. Err.......I mean cause Creamsickles blow.......
you can walk in my Husqvarna dealer here and the redmax shelves are always bare because the products are sold out.
he just can't hardly sell a Husqvarna trimmer or blower.
 

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That is exactly what I was getting at. If I had a truck full of RedMax blowers and trimmers.......and they were solid performers at a good price point, I'd expect the RedMax saws to be just as good. When I needed to grab a saw for that odd job that required me to clear out a few big bushes, or a couple of small trees........I'd get a RedMax saw.

We all know how brand loyal we become..........cause Husky sucks. Err.......I mean cause Creamsickles blow.......


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