How to square file

[ZukiRyder400]

View attachment 317483 New video up on square filing.

I want to try one of those. They seem to take less side plate. Maybe good thing or bad thing Idk. All in experimentation

 

[PA Dan]

I want to try one of those. They seem to take less side plate. Maybe good thing or bad thing Idk. All in experimentation

Big beak! Beaks are fast but these are huge!

 

[Duane(Pa)]

Big beak! Beaks are fast but these are huge!

Someone say beak?

 

[MustangMike]

I think the side plate is the same height with both files.

I just find that the rectangular 6 sided files have more mass and are easier to keep in a straight line.

 

[Canadian farm boy]

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Someone say beak?

To much filing fluid?

 

[PA Dan]

To much filing fluid?

You know he's a grindah not a filah...[emoji1787]

 

[RI Chevy]

I almost bought a grindah. Well... Actually 2 grindahs, but they suddenly disappeared...
SO I still use a file.

 

[PA Dan]

I almost bought a grindah. Well... Actually 2 grindahs, but they suddenly disappeared...
SO I still use a file.

Really...?

 

[ZERO]

On the topic of beaking, here is my greener than grass filing, finally had some time during the holidays.

In this case when I do not line up the file with the inside lower corner what will this do?
Slower cutting due to chips not flowing out fast enough?
Dulling faster due to incorrect angles?
Increased chattering or anything else?

Same tooth, two separate angles.

 

[LoneOak]

On the topic of beaking, here is my greener than grass filing, finally had some time during the holidays.

In this case when I do not line up the file with the inside lower corner what will this do?
Slower cutting due to chips not flowing out fast enough?
Dulling faster due to incorrect angles?
Increased chattering or anything else?

Same tooth, two separate angles.

Absolutely nothing wrong with those angles!

 

[LoneOak]

 

[MustangMike]

In this case when I do not line up the file with the inside lower corner what will this do?

Depends on which way you don't line it up.

 

[Homemade]

On the topic of beaking, here is my greener than grass filing, finally had some time during the holidays.

In this case when I do not line up the file with the inside lower corner what will this do?
Slower cutting due to chips not flowing out fast enough?
Dulling faster due to incorrect angles?
Increased chattering or anything else?

Same tooth, two separate angles.

In my short time and experience, having the inside lower corner doesn’t play as big of a factor as having the outside corners line up. I would think that if the file corner is higher then the inside corner, you would produce a more acute angle on the top plate inside. And just like knives, axes, and lawnmower blades, the more acute the angle, the sharper it will be, but not last as long.
If your filing from the inside out, I would drop the handle down a few degrees.


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[RI Chevy]

I think you want to try and utilize the file on this line. Connecting the 2 points.

 

[MustangMike]

I just make sure the corner of the file is on the outside corner of the tooth, and my file angles are 45*, 45*, and 45*.

Generally, the proper down slope will rest the file on the top on the strap on the opposite side, and resting the file on that will help you to get the tilt angle correct.

Your file should fit into your tooth like a glove (for repeat filings), making alignment go as fast as with a round file.

 

[LoneOak]

In my short time and experience, having the inside lower corner doesn’t play as big of a factor as having the outside corners line up. I would think that if the file corner is higher then the inside corner, you would produce a more acute angle on the top plate inside. And just like knives, axes, and lawnmower blades, the more acute the angle, the sharper it will be, but not last as long.
If your filing from the inside out, I would drop the handle down a few degrees.


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The problem with that for me, is that I tend to cut into the driver and tie strap. I also no longer file chain on the bar, I put it in a vice so the tooth is held absolutely firm.
Dropping the handle down will force a top plate angle less than 20*, pulling the handle back to compensate and regain the 20* top plate angle will produce a sharper side plate, and that is where I begin to nic the tie strap and driver.

In the photo below is my technique for producing the fastest, smoothest cutting and long lasting chain.

 

[RI Chevy]

Nice! Cutter looks very sharp. Long lasting.

 

[Wonkydonkey]

The problem with that for me, is that I tend to cut into the driver and tie strap. I also no longer file chain on the bar, I put it in a vice so the tooth is held absolutely firm.
Dropping the handle down will force a top plate angle less than 20*, pulling the handle back to compensate and regain the 20* top plate angle will produce a sharper side plate, and that is where I begin to nic the tie strap and driver.

In the photo below is my technique for producing the fastest, smoothest cutting and long lasting chain.

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I dig that first pic, it absolutely shows everything. It’s so easy to get it the wrong cutting angle on the top plate and it cuts fast but don’t last .. ask me how I know and i was told beforehand. it goes to show you have to try it and all that..

 

[ZERO]

I almost bought a grindah. Well... Actually 2 grindahs, but they suddenly disappeared...
SO I still use a file.

Too bad that the cost and the fact there is no known CBN wheel are my two largest downsides that are keeping me away. For that price I do not want to stop every few teeth and re-dress to make a correct angle.

For those that are really proficient with your files is there any good advantage to buying an expensive grinder?
The baseline is for a homeowner, non racing situation. I understand the grinder will give you a more truer angle on the plates, more consistent angles from tooth to tooth and save your hands in high volume sharpenings.

For a homeowner non-racing application, how true is that angle at the point and the plates after about 10 cuts, will the angle variations from tooth to tooth cause that much slow down, and if one is doing maybe two or three chains per week during the cutting season, is it really that big of a work out to the hands?

Now if you get a killer price on a used one, then all of this is not an issue.

 

[Wolverine]

Too bad that the cost and the fact there is no known CBN wheel are my two largest downsides that are keeping me away. For that price I do not want to stop every few teeth and re-dress to make a correct angle.

For those that are really proficient with your files is there any good advantage to buying an expensive grinder?
The baseline is for a homeowner, non racing situation. I understand the grinder will give you a more truer angle on the plates, more consistent angles from tooth to tooth and save your hands in high volume sharpenings.

For a homeowner non-racing application, how true is that angle at the point and the plates after about 10 cuts, will the angle variations from tooth to tooth cause that much slow down, and if one is doing maybe two or three chains per week during the cutting season, is it really that big of a work out to the hands?

Now if you get a killer price on a used one, then all of this is not an issue.

Yes there is. The time involved hand filing far exceeds how fast the job can be done w a grinder. I can bump dirt w the 135dl chain and not worry about it. Just touch up and go.

After 26 years in printing, I’m borderline carpal tunnel so I need to give my hands a break. That was a huge factor in getting a grinder.