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- Possibility to make shorter & lighter PTO (point of chain tension is closer to the bearing, eliminated outer fastener area as clutch acts as fastener)
- Better cooling of the right seal, not enclosed using hot clutch (especially important in plastic housings that do not dissipate heat as Mag)
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That sounds quite logical. Decision for outboard as a sacrifice of user friendliness in favor of better cooling (and thus improved longevity) and a little weight reduction.
 

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That sounds quite logical. Decision for outboard as a sacrifice of user friendliness in favor of better cooling (and thus improved longevity) and a little weight reduction.
Would there not be more leverage on the clutch side bearing by moving the clutch outboard,
I would think there would be, so no extra longevity there.
I understand the removal of heat from the area would help though.
 

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Would there not be more leverage on the clutch side bearing by moving the clutch outboard,
I would think there would be, so no extra longevity there.
I understand the removal of heat from the area would help though.

The leverage comes from the chain and the bearing sits right on the plane of the chain rotation.
If you consider the clutch+bell complete thickness (let's disregard half of the sprocket) around 10mm, then by inverting the clutch one way or another, this is the distance by which the point of leverage changes.

Can't promise but I will try to make a sample photo :)

EDIT: two machines of same class in question - 352 and 3510. Measured from drive link to outer seal.
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Hello Echo chainsaw folks. Hope all is well with everyone. Dog mushing season is slowing down, so back to milling and moving slabs before the snowpack goes soft. Paveen-ported cs 1201 and ported cs 6700 are running great.

Just finished that ported qv-8000. The build drug on and on and on. I don't envy any of you saw builders. Needed more parts than expected, and took forever to clean the gunk out of those fire department saws. No more quick vent saws. Averaged about $800 per 2 saws. Parts and initial purchase. So $400 a piece all up. 30 hours of work per 2 saws. Screws very hard to break loose, clutches and flywheel EXTREMELY hard to break loose.
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Anybody know the model number of the early cs 8000 carburetor?

Anyone know where I could find one of these larger carbs?

The saw definitely need a larger carb. I'm like 4-5 turns out on the high jet and I can't drop the rpms by setting it rich on the high jet. Way too small of a carb for 81 cc's of ported saw.
 

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Good running 490 yah got there. Nice sized saw log too.

Just scored a new old stock hda 45 carb. It's the largest one for the old 1980's cs 8000p. No need in a ported saw breathing through a straw.

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Thanks Mainer, nice score on the NOS carb! 👍
 

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Thanks Mainer, nice score on the NOS carb! 👍
How's the snow pack down south? Ain't settling much up here. Still getting stuck on machine, trying to break trail to my next cutsite. At least the trail is set up like concrete today, still winter out there: 10-20 below zero at night.

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How's the snow pack down south? Ain't settling much up here. Still getting stuck on machine, trying to break trail to my next cutsite. At least the trail is set up like concrete today, still winter out there: 10-20 below zero at night.

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Decide to take another .020"(ish)off the base and band. Exhaust is now about 107* ...decided to leave it there and take advantage of compression and torque....since these little 50cc Echos aren't as rev happy as others.
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Wow dude74, that 490 is exactly what yah need a 50 cc to be for Alaskan conditions. Yep, i like your recipe, keeping the torque down low.

Too high of rpms, saws run like sht up here in below zero weather: flywheel moving too much cold air, saws won't run at temp even with a flywheel bib. Hard to tune, etc. The density of 20 below air is insane. In frozen alaskan birch, if the rpms be too high in the cut, chains just skip and chatter, no matter the raker depth.

Anyhow, still wrenching on this dmn QV 8000. Went to disassemble the clutch to install a new clutch spring, and found that the clutch hab was broken. Waiting on parts yet again.

The two plastic carb blocks were slightly out of round from over-tightening the carb mount screws. The throttle and choke bore is so large on the hda 45, that both the throttle plate and the choke plate would hang up. Had to take it all apart, slightly burr-grind the carb blocks round and put a bevel on the surfaces closest to choke and throttle plates.

HDA 153B vs HDA 45:
Saw went blubbering rich 2.5 turns out on high jet, with the new hda 45. I could care less if the cs 8000 was quad port or dual port, but would never port another one of these 8000's without a good hda 45.

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Wow dude74, that 490 is exactly what yah need a 50 cc to be for Alaskan conditions. Yep, i like your recipe, keeping the torque down low.

Too high of rpms, saws run like sht up here in below zero weather: flywheel moving too much cold air, saws won't run at temp even with a flywheel bib. Hard to tune, etc. The density of 20 below air is insane. In frozen alaskan birch, if the rpms be too high in the cut, chains just skip and chatter, no matter the raker depth.

Anyhow, still wrenching on this dmn QV 8000. Went to disassemble the clutch to install a new clutch spring, and found that the clutch hab was broken. Waiting on parts yet again.

The two plastic carb blocks were slightly out of round from over-tightening the carb mount screws. The throttle and choke bore is so large on the hda 45, that both the throttle plate and the choke plate would hang up. Had to take it all apart, slightly burr-grind the carb blocks round and put a bevel on the surfaces closest to choke and throttle plates.

HDA 153B vs HDA 45:
Saw went blubbering rich 2.5 turns out on high jet, with the new hda 45. I could care less if the cs 8000 was quad port or dual port, but would never port another one of these 8000's without a good hda 45.

Choke bore
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Throttle bore:
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Dang! What a difference. Ought to really breathe now. 💪 Hopefully your clutch parts show up soon. Looks like spring will finally be here next week!
 

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Geeze dude74,
Spring would be nice. It was single digit temps last night, 10 degrees this morning. Snowing for the past 2 days as well.

I have no electricity or heating oil, would really like a break from feeding a stove full of birch. Mild but LONG winter this year eh?
 
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