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Its a stihl bar. Have heard somewhat of conflicting stories on wether in needs to be modified to work on the echo. I am pretty sure you have to add a drive link over the normal 64dl for a 12" bar
 

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Its a stihl bar. Have heard somewhat of conflicting stories on wether in needs to be modified to work on the echo. I am pretty sure you have to add a drive link over the normal 64dl for a 12" bar
That would probably be a good idea. Mine fit but the adjuster is all the way down to the loosest position. Figured next time I make a loop I’ll add a driver.
 

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Have heard the 2511t does not come with a dawg/bumper spike from the factory. Echo offers it optional. Here is the part # for mounting screws and the spike.

V805000240
BOLT, TORX 5×12 QTY 2

C304000000
SPIKE, BUMPER QTY 1

I just had my buddy fabricate me a case guard/bumper spike at his shop. I just use the 3/8lp x .043” x 12” chain so I can use the same chains my pole saw & the 2511t.

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If you are a You Tube fan check out August Hunicke. He often has a 2511 on his belt. I've seen his 200T also wearing a panther 1/4 bar/chain as well. Seems to serve his outfit rather well.
 

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I am a subscriber to August. That is how i even know about the panther bar stuff. He made mention in one of his videos that he is or trying to be the US Panther distributor.
 

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For whatever it might be worth: I got a 2511T with a 14" bar a while back, broke it in, then did a modest muffler-mod by milling a 3/8" hole in the lower right quadrant, through both the outer shell and the center divider. I also removed the screen. Not concerned that I'll be starting any fires, especially when there's a hole below the regular port. Curiously enough, the muffler had no catalytic converter in it, so I thankfully didn't need to be concerned with that, and figured that without it I could get away with a smaller hole in the can. I can always mill a larger hole, if need be

As others have reported, the 3/8LP chain that comes with it is crap. Chatters way too much. Replacing that with Stihl 63PM was a definite improvement. I think part of the problem with chattering is the lack of chain speed. The stock spur has but six teeth. I've cut 9" limbs with this, and it went right on through without an excessive amount of time involved, but it still chattered occasionally.

But, today I put a 1/4" Panther bar and chain on it, along with the new clutch drum and it's a different saw. The 1/4" drum has 8 teeth. Cut some small wood around here, and it sailed through, but won't have it working in a tree until Wednesday. Will get a good tune on it, and then a tach reading, too, and report back.
 

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Been in trees the past few days, post oak and hickory, and am pleased with the 2511T. Had it humming at 16,200 rpm, but thought that might be a tad lean. :rolleyes: Fattened it up, turning 13,400, but that was a bit too fat in the wood. Eased it leaner, and it purred right along. Didn't check the rpms after that, 'cause I was in the tree.

Since it is stated by Echo that it is "For use by tree service professionals only," it definitely should have come with a better chain, at a minimum, and the optimum would be for it to come with 1/4" and that eight-tooth spur, as well as the different shaped bar. Makes for a much better working combo, in my opinion. Engineers, marketing, and liability issues aside, it's the "tree service professionals" who put it to work, and I've noted that many have opined the same regarding the set-up. Perhaps Echo will take heed? Eh, probably not.

For me, though, the handle angle is a bit off, making it more difficult to rotate and push the bar down in use, especially when not cutting near the butt of the bar. Also, cutting up close like that, the saw cuts much better by digging in the tiny dog, rotating, and putting some pressure on the cut. The thing is so light that there's not enough weight to load it, and you'll wear yourself out doing tricep presses, trying to force the cut, especially when reaching.

Generally, I'm likin' this saw.
 
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Since it is stated by Echo that it is "For use by tree service professionals only," it definitely should have come with a better chain, at a minimum, and the optimum would be for it to come with 1/4" and that eight-tooth spur, as well as the different shaped bar. Makes for a much better working combo, in my opinion. Engineers, marketing, and liability issues aside, it's the "tree service professionals" who put it to work, and I've noted that many have opined the same regarding the set-up. Perhaps Echo will take heed? Eh, probably not.
They did. Before releasing. Standard equipment for 2510/2511 in all markets except US includes SugiHara carving bar + 25AP chain. One of the options now is Sugi narrow-kerf .043 carving bar + Sugi A4S 1/4 chain. In simple terms 3/8 configuration is just to please price aspect of the market. Engineering wise this chainsaw was developed together with Sugi chain.

you'll wear yourself out doing tricep presses, trying to force the cut, especially when reaching.
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This is exactly why it has a diagonal left handle - the best position of a left hand to assist in pushing with both arms stretched :)
 

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They did. Before releasing. Standard equipment for 2510/2511 in all markets except US includes SugiHara carving bar + 25AP chain. One of the options now is Sugi narrow-kerf .043 carving bar + Sugi A4S 1/4 chain. In simple terms 3/8 configuration is just to please price aspect of the market. Engineering wise this chainsaw was developed together with Sugi chain.


This is exactly why it has a diagonal left handle - the best position of a left hand to assist in pushing with both arms stretched :)

Thanks for the elucidation! Obviously, I wasn't aware that everyone else in the world got benefit of another option. Sigh.

Yes, using two hands doesn't present the problem I described. In a perfect world, two hands could always be used. :smile:
 

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Thanks for the elucidation! Obviously, I wasn't aware that everyone else in the world got benefit of another option. Sigh.

Yes, using two hands doesn't present the problem I described. In a perfect world, two hands could always be used. :smile:

Yes, we all know single-handed operations happen :D That’s why there is also more focus nowadays on the thumb-rests on the top handle (see DCS-2500T as an example).
 

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For whatever it might be worth: I got a 2511T with a 14" bar a while back, broke it in, then did a modest muffler-mod by milling a 3/8" hole in the lower right quadrant, through both the outer shell and the center divider. I also removed the screen. Not concerned that I'll be starting any fires, especially when there's a hole below the regular port. Curiously enough, the muffler had no catalytic converter in it, so I thankfully didn't need to be concerned with that, and figured that without it I could get away with a smaller hole in the can. I can always mill a larger hole, if need be

As others have reported, the 3/8LP chain that comes with it is crap. Chatters way too much. Replacing that with Stihl 63PM was a definite improvement. I think part of the problem with chattering is the lack of chain speed. The stock spur has but six teeth. I've cut 9" limbs with this, and it went right on through without an excessive amount of time involved, but it still chattered occasionally.

But, today I put a 1/4" Panther bar and chain on it, along with the new clutch drum and it's a different saw. The 1/4" drum has 8 teeth. Cut some small wood around here, and it sailed through, but won't have it working in a tree until Wednesday. Will get a good tune on it, and then a tach reading, too, and report back.
Ozarker, Could you tell me where you bought the parts for the Panther setup, especially the clutch? (They're tough to find, and the only place I found an 8 tooth was insanely expensive and it's a spur). I'm going to buy a 2511t for carving but I'd prefer to get the whole setup one place. It's a shame we can't get the Sugi spec setup here in the US. - or at least a 1/4" setup which is arguably what really belongs on the saw. Thanks!
 

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Chainsawbars.co.uk but I believe August Hunicke (monkeybeaver.com) is the importer in USA
Unless there’s someone else doing them.
https://www.chainsawbars.co.uk/product/a556-001710-echo-cs-2511-1-4-drive-sprocket/
https://monkeybeaver.com/index.php/10-product/105-panther-bar
https://youtu.be/j8G8ft9Dzrw

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dit rob d at chainsawbars is very good, he’s shipped a few 2511 to the states. Have a look at what you want/need and email him and ask. (I think you get it vat free as your in the states)

hope this helps
 

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I have one muffler modded / 12" 1/4" panther bar - loved it

just sent it out to redbeard saws for some porting - great saws once modded - meh stock
 

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Yeah, Wonkydonkey's got the info. I ordered the bar and chain from the chainsawbars.co.uk site. The clutch drum came from echopartsonline.com $38.90, including shipping, 'cause it was cheaper than what the UK site sold them for. August Hunicke wasn't yet set up to sell these parts when I bought all this, but I think I came out cheaper any how.

I do want to add that the chain from the UK site is much better than I expected it to be, keeping an edge way longer than expected. I've only been in oak and hickory with it and yet it has persevered. Wish I'd gotten more of them now. I've got a Stihl chain on hand so I can do a comparison, then decide whether to order more, or just run the Stihl from now on.

"Meh stock" is right. Even with just what I've done to it, this saw is a muuuch better tool. Had a new groundie today, and he commented on how well it cuts, stating he was impressed, particularly since it was so small. Tree I was in had two leaders coming off the stem, one 12" at the base, the other 14". Made one-cut passes every cut as I blocked it off down to the stem, and never got pinched. Just kept cutting right on through to the other side. These were positive rigged, but weren't raised up any, so as to relieve the pressure.
 

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I just had my buddy fabricate me a case guard/bumper spike at his shop. I just use the 3/8lp x .043” x 12” chain so I can use the same chains my pole saw & the 2511t.

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I actually backed-off on my dogs (made them smaller, have DIY 3-point West Coast dogs) on their size, and honestly am finding (on Live Oak) that the spikes are hardly helping (they're helping me line-up, but if a cut begins w/ the spike in the wood it's like a 50/50 the chain will bog pretty quick..)
LOVE the diesel look & function of that plate and want one, however -- in making my own dogs -- I realized that, even if large ones were desirable, I couldn't actually put huge dogs on if I wanted because the dog-mounts are ONLY for minimal-dogs, by that I mean that it's just (2) screw-holes into the plastic body which is also the outer walls of your gas & oil tanks, that is holding the dogs (or dogs + shield, in your case), so I wouldn't want to torque/hurt those two mountting points by leveraging them w/ a 5"+ long plate (despite how awesome that looks...but for all I know it's got other reinforcements, I can think of a million ways it could be "done very firmly&safely" if one had the fiberglass, hardware & time ;D )

Been in trees the past few days, post oak and hickory, and am pleased with the 2511T. Had it humming at 16,200 rpm, but thought that might be a tad lean. :rolleyes: Fattened it up, turning 13,400, but that was a bit too fat in the wood. Eased it leaner, and it purred right along. Didn't check the rpms after that, 'cause I was in the tree.

Since it is stated by Echo that it is "For use by tree service professionals only," it definitely should have come with a better chain, at a minimum, and the optimum would be for it to come with 1/4" and that eight-tooth spur, as well as the different shaped bar. Makes for a much better working combo, in my opinion. Engineers, marketing, and liability issues aside, it's the "tree service professionals" who put it to work, and I've noted that many have opined the same regarding the set-up. Perhaps Echo will take heed? Eh, probably not.

For me, though, the handle angle is a bit off, making it more difficult to rotate and push the bar down in use, especially when not cutting near the butt of the bar. Also, cutting up close like that, the saw cuts much better by digging in the tiny dog, rotating, and putting some pressure on the cut. The thing is so light that there's not enough weight to load it, and you'll wear yourself out doing tricep presses, trying to force the cut, especially when reaching.

Generally, I'm likin' this saw.
Loving mine "in general" as you say, honestly just loving it as my gripes are almost-entirely superficial, the biggest is simply how chintzy it feels in the hand (not entire unit, per se, but really the main Operator-grip/handle area, trigger / controls etc, have already done several modifications to this area on mine and will be going to "spring-load On button" soon as I get the time!)

Did you ever warm-up to the bar-angle? When my zenoah g2500 clone died, one of the things I knew I'd miss most was the steep bar-angle, as you say it is detrimental to force generation on the outer ends of the bar's bottom, but you mustve noticed by now just how much more leverage you have on the top of the bar and - in-practice, IMO - this is much more important, we don't really 'need' help w/ the end of a 12" bar's bottom, but the top of bar cuts so much better w/ steeper angle IMO/IME!!) The 2511 isn't as steep as the g2500 but is nice!

Missing the palm rest on the grip (like my 355t came with, actually came w/ multiple sized ones), honestly I thought other companies would begin ripping-off the idea of back-palm/upper/wrist supports because it just lets you exert SO much more control especially when 1-handing and especially on the top of the bar (or when needing rightward force on the bar)
Went and made my own grip, taped it on real tight w/ elec tape so I could simultaneously firm-up the entire upper-handle area, used a razor to cut around the triggers (and sanded/burr'd the trigger base in such a way that it actually has grip / is no longer a slick, flat plastic surface :P )

5.2lbs and 1.45BHP off the shelf with that insanely tight exhaust system, just incredible, power tends to correlate pretty linearly to displacement yet this 25cc beats the 355t (or 201t if that's more your speed) which is insanely impressive considering it seems to respond better to basic muff & timing mods (will say it's a MASSIVE blow that Echo is pushing them, at least in this market, with 50gauge 3/8 pitch setups, lol mine's still brand new / for-sale, but having to go buy an entire retro-fit kit to go 1/4 pitch is just insane....especially when it seems overseas OEM models come w/ 1/4 and dime-nose setups...)

(I'll note, re durability, that this thing took a great tumble out of my truck probably from ~5' and just SMACK!'d the pavement, was so sure I'd be replacing *something(s)*, only got some plastic-gouging on the chainbrake handle and the plug-cover casing--- NOTE that, at least on mine, the spark plug casing does NOT swing clearly of the spark plug, you gotta remove it real quick and just grind a groove/recession on the inside edging so that it opens/closes w/o making any contact w/ your spark plug's boot!)
 

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Any ideas on "max power" that top guys are getting out of this unit? Am curious if anyone's breaking 2BHP on regular fuel / woods portings, would be curious to know just how much change to torque is gained (ie if it's really all RPM and horsepower or actual good torque gains too...I feel like I could use a 16" on mine if it's razor sharp and I'm real careful, but - not being careful and barely sharp-enough - a 12" sometimes gets bogged if the limb is pressing on it heavily enough!)
 

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I'm sure people are breaking 2hp with it, but that could be hard to see accurately on a dyno being such a small engine. I recommend 12-14" bar due to the fuel tank size and potential heat soak and overheating in such a small engine intended for small wood.
 
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