Another welder

[bigbadbob]

I have the same as this,, fixed leads,, it was a promotion bout 1980,, the newer model had removable leads
Dam its been a good welder,,

 

[OnlyStihl]

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I have the same as this,, fixed leads,, it was a promotion bout 1980,, the newer model had removable leads
Dam its been a good welder,,

Seems that about everybody made these transformer welders back in the 70s, 80s and before. I remember going to Montgomery Wards as a kid for new school clothes. They were a Sears clone back then, and I see that they once made these same welders too.

 

[Al Smith]

I think the old Lincoln "tombstones "were copper wound .I also think I saw one with plug ins some time ago .Copper or alminum wound they sold a zillion of them .What I've never personally seen is an AC/DC Tombstone .
I collect and restore chainsaws but I do not welders .Yet just like stray cats they follow me home .However some times a deal comes along too good to pass up.Like a lincoln SA 200 ,which is considerd a classic with a Hobart Main Line special 250 amp .A Korean war era Signal Corps generater and 6 8,000 pound trailer axles with brakes for $600 . So goes the life of a junk yard dawg .

 

[Bill G]

If you say so...

Removing the casing/shell and unbolting the leads from within, is not "removeable" in my book.

Why in the hell would you do that?

I guess you have never done any wiring. It is a simple plug.

Cut the wire where in the blue outlined area and install a set of plugs on each.

It is not rocket science.

 

[OnlyStihl]

Very tempting. But I can't deal with the weight since my trailer is still stuck in the Snow and Ice.

Slightly exceeds my 60Amp service to my garage, but this would most likely be a flip. Don't see these very often in this good of shape, but new they do sell for >$5000. And comes with 30' leads.

 

[Bill G]

Those are good welders.

 

[OnlyStihl]

I got the trailer unstuck. I may be picking up the welder tomorrow.

 

[OnlyStihl]

I talked with the guy about the welder and will be purchasing it tomorrow morning.

He has been running it off a 50Amp breaker. Never at full power and it has been fine for his requirements and needs. I suppose I will will have to figure out the rest on my own.

This is what has me concerned (provided were I to keep it) -->



My understanding of this is at 230V outlet I'd need a 70Amp breaker to run it at 200A/28V. Is that right? With my 50Amp breaker the panel says it will draw 48Amp to run it at 140A/26V. Right? To get full use of the welder I'd need at least 86A. I don't even know if the utility company supplies my area with that much juice.

For reference I have had my Century AC230 at full power with no problems, (again) with my 50Amp breaker.

 

[Sloughfoot]

What’s the heaviest gauge steel you’ll be welding?

 

[OnlyStihl]

What’s the heaviest gauge steel you’ll be welding?

I've no idea. Heaviest yet is ~3/4" rebar. The Century AC230 tackled it with no problem. Next was chain hooks on my neighbors Kubota front loader.

 

[Sloughfoot]

I've no idea. Heaviest yet is ~3/4" rebar. The Century AC230 tackled it with no problem. Next was chain hooks on my neighbors Kubota front loader.

A 30 amp 220v breaker I use often has never tripped stick welding 1/4 plate, Can't remember the setting and rod size.

 

[OnlyStihl]

A 30 amp 220v breaker I use often has never tripped stick welding 1/4 plate, Can't remember the setting and rod size.

Owner says he's welded with 1/8 rod with no problem. I have with my Century AC230 also use 1/8. I think it was overkill for what I welded. What I know the next size up is 5/32th. From what I have experienced it is with 7018 that I might have to use more power. I was max on the Century and could not get it to burn the 7018 (maybe 1/8, but I don't remember). But with this new machine and the DC setting, the 7018 is probably a lot more compliant.

I'm starting to like the idea of this new Lincoln and the long leads. At 350lbs it can sit in one spot and the leads will reach as far as I'll ever need. I can almost sell the Century and pay for the Lincoln. At $300 it will be a daylight robbery with a willing victim.

 

[OnlyStihl]

Another welder has popped up. With 35' leads.

 

[Sloughfoot]

Owner says he's welded with 1/8 rod with no problem. I have with my Century AC230 also use 1/8. I think it was overkill for what I welded. What I know the next size up is 5/16th. From what I have experienced it is with 7018 that I might have to use more power. I was max on the Century and could not get it to burn the 7018 (maybe 1/8, but I don't remember). But with this new machine and the DC setting, the 7018 is probably a lot more compliant.

I'm starting to like the idea of this new Lincoln and the long leads. At 350lbs it can sit in one spot and the leads will reach as far as I'll ever need. I can almost sell the Century and pay for the Lincoln. At $300 it will be a daylight robbery with a willing victim.

Yeh, believe 1/8 7018 is what I've used mostly. Always on DC with a Miller Thunderbolt XL. Run it and see what happens. If you're a reasonable distance from the panel it should do fine if it isn't turned up too high.

 

[fredx]

Those leads alone are pricey if you had to buy them seperate

 

[Bill G]

...........................My understanding of this is at 230V outlet I'd need a 70Amp breaker to run it at 200A/28V. Is that right? With my 50Amp breaker the panel says it will draw 48Amp to run it at 140A/26V. Right? To get full use of the welder I'd need at least 86A. I don't even know if the utility company supplies my area with that much juice.

For reference I have had my Century AC230 at full power with no problems, (again) with my 50Amp breaker.

#1 In my lifetime I have never set a SMAW machine at 200 amp to use on 1/8 stick
#2 For years we ran a SMAW machine in the shop next to the house. The service drop was 60 amp and fed the house also which had AC, microwave, electric dryer, and a deep well pump. Common sense was not to run all at once.
#3 If your utility company is not providing you with at least 100 amp then you need to pick up the phone and make a call. The satndard is 200 amp and has been for years. What size is your main? I live in the sticks and I have (2) 200 amp services.

 

[thompsoncustom]

Having grown up using an old Forney and than a Lincoln stick welder I wouldn't go back to the transformer style for light duty stuff the cheap little inverter ones you can get for around 100 bucks are way better with hot start and arc force options but at the same time they are made for the lighter duty end of stick welding 200amps and below at 220volts. Most of my welding things days is all Mig but I still have that little arc welder just incase, it's nuts how small and light those new little inverter ones are could probably fit in my lunch box.

 

[OnlyStihl]

Having grown up using an old Forney and than a Lincoln stick welder I wouldn't go back to the transformer style for light duty stuff the cheap little inverter ones you can get for around 100 bucks are way better with hot start and arc force options but at the same time they are made for the lighter duty end of stick welding 200amps and below at 220volts. Most of my welding things days is all Mig but I still have that little arc welder just incase, it's nuts how small and light those new little inverter ones are could probably fit in my lunch box.

I have a 120V flux core welder. And honestly, I use it more than my stick welder. However I wouldn't make a 2nd pass with the FC welder. The Arc welder can be a PITA to get an initial Arc, and that is on me. Clean metal, a good ground and a clean rod tip and it sparks up just fine. I might not have enough saddle time on the FC, cause the Arc welder lays down a very professional bead.

 

[OnlyStihl]

The Great Welding Machine Heist has been completed. Leads are 35' long, all levers, switches, and rotating adjustments work. Ground lead is a little frayed, a simple fix. Electrode holder will probably be replaced. And is this machine ever heavy. All in all, a very satisfying sale. Tomorrow I'll start to play with it and see where (if any) the machine draws more Watts than my garage can supply. Original owner never cranked it all the way up and said he's sure it will burn a whole in most any metal I might throw at it.

 

[fredx]

for just about anything a homeowner wants to do in his shop a mig or core wire will be fine. When you start getting up into heaver metal
3/8< ( like 1/2" & above ) your gonna want the penetrating strength of the arc welder with probably a low hy. rod like 7018