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Hey Everyone, just thought I’d throw this out there. Been researching alternative heating and electric ideas that can save some of my very limited cash supply. Looking into Radiant heat, good old wood, which relates directly to this forum, turbine electricity, hydro electric etc… Wondering what alternative setups some of you have come up with.

Obviously we all like our chainsaws and our firewood stacks but still costs a lot after gas, oil, chain, logs, time, etc.. it is fun but looking for any other ideas. If any of you are interested in the subject?
 

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It’s kind of all about the resources you have in abundance. Firewood if you live in the forest, hydro if you have a stream on your property, wind, geothermal, natural gas, it’s all about your specific situation.

I cut trees for a living. Every year I burn 6 cords of apple, oak, ash and maple that I get for free. It’s still a lot of work and time. Maybe more than the $1k it takes to fill my propane tank. It’s hard to really get ahead on energy costs.
 

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Location and available resources is a great point. If you can get wood free it’s a huge bonus but like you said a lot of work and at some point as we age too much work. I’m not there yet and I guess the key would be to save as much now while the physical labor isn’t an issue.

Still, there has to be a better way and if all options were available I wonder which is most efficient. Probably a combination if possible and storing energy would be another concern. Water can dry up, the sun can be less efficient for long stretches, wind dies down, etc..
 

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Just as @Ketchup said it is dependent on your location and your resources. There is no single best solution for everyone and those that think there is are fools. In the east some use heating oil. In this area it is not available. In town they use natural gas, again in this area it is not available unless you "tap" the underground pipeline and that does not end well. About 30 years ago the pundits were pushing the single residence windmills. considered on but thank goodness I never fell for it. They were an epic failure and I have not seen one in decades. We do have the big corporate "wind farms" west of us in Iowa and southeast in Illinois but they are dying off as they age out. As for solar that comes and goes. In the late 1970's there were two neighbors that bought into it and built panels to dry their grain. Again they failed miserably. I realize that solar has come a long way but it still has issues. Some were pushing geothermal here 20 years ago as a residential choice. A few went through with it but the vast majority of it was installed by municipalities as I believe they were receiving federal tax dollars to do so. The vast majority of us have electricity so that is reliable but not real cost effective. That brings us to wood. It works well and is efficient but if a person is not equipped to deal with it then it is not effective. Take for example a family of 5. The father is working a job 50 plus hours a week. The mother is working even more in the most precious career, a full-time Mom. They have 3 kiddos that are involved in school, church and community activities. The parents are shuttling them around. Then on the off days it is time to hunt, fish and recreate. Do they really have time to cut wood? These are all the considerations that a individual must make.

With all that being said.....................my driveway.

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Hey Everyone, just thought I’d throw this out there. Been researching alternative heating and electric ideas that can save some of my very limited cash supply. Looking into Radiant heat, good old wood, which relates directly to this forum, turbine electricity, hydro electric etc… Wondering what alternative setups some of you have come up with.

Obviously we all like our chainsaws and our firewood stacks but still costs a lot after gas, oil, chain, logs, time, etc.. it is fun but looking for any other ideas. If any of you are interested in the subject?

This subject has interested me since I picked up and read a book from Mother Earth news that broached the subject thirty years ago.
Any nature powered system is going to need a storage bank as none seem to go 100% of the time. Having more than one can hedge your bets, like having wind and solar power for example, it may be dark out, but it could be windy.
Usage has a lot to do with it as well. So, the start should be the designing of the home to begin with. It should be just big enough to fir your needs. Can it be partially buried in say a Southerly facing hillside for example. Any parts of the home exposed should be energy star plus insulated.
Then there's working with your natural surroundings. Here is where some ingenuity can come into play. It can be as simple as heat ducts in the floor and A/C ducts in the ceiling (common sense). Or let's say you have a South facing entry door, if it were painted black and along with an all-glass screen door can make one heck of a solar heater if allowed to vent inside or be blown in in the winter and a white roll up blind to pull over it in the summer to deactivate it. Some shudders cut from steel plate could be installed on the inside to swing into place and radiate heat in the winter and swung away in the summer.
One idea I had was to "pipe in" cold air from outside with a small, insulated pipe in the winter into the freezer with a small fan in and back out. limiting the need to power to refrigerate.
And for any of you burning wood, you should be heating your domestic water supply when doing so. The most obvious is with a wood boiler, however a wood stove or even a fireplace can be made to do so if planned ahead. There are steel U-shaped arms that can be bolted in so water can be circulated through to your water heater.
There's also either a conversion kit for existing or complete clothes dryers ready to go that work off of hot water.
Propane can be bought in the off season fairly reasonably and an average sized tank should last years for cooking and hot water in the summertime.
These are but just a few examples of what can be accomplished of a person puts their mind to it and who knows, maybe even go off grid.
Good luck with your alternative ventures.
 

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This subject has interested me since I picked up and read a book from Mother Earth news that broached the subject thirty years ago.
Any nature powered system is going to need a storage bank as none seem to go 100% of the time. Having more than one can hedge your bets, like having wind and solar power for example, it may be dark out, but it could be windy.
Usage has a lot to do with it as well. So, the start should be the designing of the home to begin with. It should be just big enough to fir your needs. Can it be partially buried in say a Southerly facing hillside for example. Any parts of the home exposed should be energy star plus insulated.
Then there's working with your natural surroundings. Here is where some ingenuity can come into play. It can be as simple as heat ducts in the floor and A/C ducts in the ceiling (common sense). Or let's say you have a South facing entry door, if it were painted black and along with an all-glass screen door can make one heck of a solar heater if allowed to vent inside or be blown in in the winter and a white roll up blind to pull over it in the summer to deactivate it. Some shudders cut from steel plate could be installed on the inside to swing into place and radiate heat in the winter and swung away in the summer.
One idea I had was to "pipe in" cold air from outside with a small, insulated pipe in the winter into the freezer with a small fan in and back out. limiting the need to power to refrigerate.
And for any of you burning wood, you should be heating your domestic water supply when doing so. The most obvious is with a wood boiler, however a wood stove or even a fireplace can be made to do so if planned ahead. There are steel U-shaped arms that can be bolted in so water can be circulated through to your water heater.
There's also either a conversion kit for existing or complete clothes dryers ready to go that work off of hot water.
Propane can be bought in the off season fairly reasonably and an average sized tank should last years for cooking and hot water in the summertime.
These are but just a few examples of what can be accomplished of a person puts their mind to it and who knows, maybe even go off grid.
Good luck with your alternative ventures.
I also think along these lines. Natural temperature regulation is a must, if you’re able to plan your build. Building into a hillside can help keeping the temperature regulated along with natural elements like ivy and even a green roof. Running water on the property would be ideal for several reasons including the chance for some hydroelectric energy. Dick Proenneke in Alone in the wilderness buried a cold storage compartment into the ground to store food. He lived out in Alaska for like 30 years alone. Great little documentary he made himself well worth a watch but got off topic.

I found another person who used solar and wood and installed radiant heating in his floors who hasn’t paid for electric in a long time. Again some work is involved in using wood but his system is pretty efficient. Even without solar panels using glass and positioning one could get a lot of heat out of a sunny day. I’ve seen greenhouses that have used building design to keep their greenhouse warm in the coldest winters. Some even line the greenhouses with barrels of water that get heated by the sun and then give off heat for hours over night. I think the Amish use bails of hay to line their greenhouses. Can’t remember why the hay bails work.

Also having a dedicated root cellar would be a must.
 

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I’ve been dreaming of a 3000gallon buried cistern ever since I bought my place. Fire is a big deal here and we have mid-winter water outages too.

A lot of my neighbors are set up on big propane generators as well. The wind blows hard here and we’ve had a few 2 week blackouts.
 

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I couldn't find the video I was looking for, but basically someone in the Midwest (I think) has a huge greenhouse that is regulated with earth air tunnels and they grow stuff year round and even some stuff not meant for that area.

 

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In a lot but not all states, you can sell what you generate to the power company. Everyone I know with a well sized solar system breaks even or better most years. Sun does shine 300 days a year here though.
 

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Here is the guy who uses wood and solar to heat his radiant flooring.

 

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.......for any of you burning wood, you should be heating your domestic water supply when doing so. The most obvious is with a wood boiler, however a wood stove or even a fireplace can be made to do so if planned ahead. There are steel U-shaped arms that can be bolted in so water can be circulated through to your water heater.
There's also either a conversion kit for existing or complete clothes dryers ready to go that work off of hot water.
My wood boiler heats my domestic hot water. I considered trying to adapt it to the clothes dryer but the old school "wind powered" clothesline is quite efficient.
 

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I’ve been dreaming of a 3000gallon buried cistern ever since I bought my place.
As crazy as this sounds I have a cistern inside my house.....yes folks inside the house😊. When the sunroom addition was built the previous owner was opposed to filling in the cistern as that was emergency water for the cattle. The addition was built around it and incorporated in. Very few folks know it is there but it is. There was also one about 50 feet out in the yard. When I moved in here I took the backhoe and the ole Mack dump truck out in the pasture and hauled sand up to promptly fill that one in. I did not want my kiddos around it.
 

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Burying a big tank was my first idea, but I’ve been playing around with the idea of multiple totes or barrels plumbed together recently. I’ve only got about 6 feet of little rocks before I hit the big rock underneath. Digging here is pretty awful, but there’s always the possibility of finding gold.
 

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As crazy as this sounds I have a cistern inside my house.....yes folks inside the house😊. When the sunroom addition was built the previous owner was opposed to filling in the cistern as that was emergency water for the cattle. The addition was built around it and incorporated in. Very few folks know it is there but it is. There was also one about 50 feet out in the yard. When I moved in here I took the backhoe and the ole Mack dump truck out in the pasture and hauled sand up to promptly fill that one in. I did not want my kiddos around it.
Cisterns inside homes were common here at one point in time.

Another benefit of wood is the stability of the cost. if you have 2 years of wood stored. it doesn't matter what the world drama does to the oil industry.

A coworker is a former logger, he still uses wood to heat his home but pays to have it cut split and delivered. All he does is stack it. It is still half the cost of oil or propane but does require some labor.

Super simple idea but takes some time to make work. If deciduous tree are planted on the south facing side of a house. They will naturally cool in the summer allow the warming sun in the winter and are useful all year round to assist with being a wind break.


Neat topic.
 

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My wood boiler heats my domestic hot water. I considered trying to adapt it to the clothes dryer but the old school "wind powered" clothesline is quite efficient.
It's an upgrade to having freeze dried shorts in winter.
 

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Speaking of having water in the house, another idea was to place a fair enough sized tank in the attic, supported properly of course, this would allow to fill it when you have plenty of power stored to fill it up and yet still able to use it without drawing power when a lean time comes along.
 
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