IEL-Pioneer thread

[Lee H]

That Farmsaw is CALEEAANNNNNNNNNNNNN.
Nice find.

 

[Basher]

Yes very nice, almost looks like it was never run. I bought a NIB one once but alas it was stolen in shipping. Wonder where all the lost/stolen in shipment saws end up?

 

[Hoggwood]

Agree'd. That's very clean. Can we ask what ya gave for it?

Generally I negotiate a hard deal whenever possible. There are always good deals popping up around here if you are looking. Not this time. Fellow was honest. Stored it impeccably. Asked an honest dollar for it. I generally oblige for the really clean ones, if it is reasonable.

In comparison to this one I picked up last year for about $30, let's just say I gave about 3 x for this "new" one. Perhaps a bit too much. It all evens out, it seems. I can run the $30 guilt free though. Homemade spike and all. It isn't the shelf queen.

 

[p61 western]

Generally I negotiate a hard deal whenever possible. There are always good deals popping up around here if you are looking. Not this time. Fellow was honest. Stored it impeccably. Asked an honest dollar for it. I generally oblige for the really clean ones, if it is reasonable.

In comparison to this one I picked up last year for about $30, let's just say I gave about 3 x for this "new" one. Perhaps a bit too much. It all evens out, it seems. I can run the $30 guilt free though. Homemade spike and all. It isn't the shelf queen.

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I need to move to Canada to get in on some of these deals lol.

 

[Hoggwood]

I need to move to Canada to get in on some of these deals lol.

With the exchange, you could pick stuff up with loose change.

I don't mind looking for stuff for other folks. I am on the lookout for certain machines for a couple of members south of the border.

 

[p61 western]

With the exchange, you could pick stuff up with loose change.

I don't mind looking for stuff for other folks. I am on the lookout for certain machines for a couple of members south of the border.

A green p62 would be great. They just don't show up that often down here.

 

[Definitive Dave]

What are the differences between P60, P61, P62, P62HP, P65 and 655BP?

I bought a P61 western from Jon Rupley in California and it is wicked fun to run, he raced it in big bar competitions but with a 20" race chain in a cant it is a demon.
I bought a 655BP cylinder on eBay and @dall brought me a P42hp that is a fun runner as well.
So now I am a little ate up with these saws.
I am probably buying a P60 next weekend on the way to Kevin's GTG in upper Michigan.
Learn me sage saw men, learn me bout these fun 6 cube giants
Dave

 

[p61 western]

What are the differences between P60, P61, P62, P62HP, P65 and 655BP?

I bought a P61 western from Jon Rupley in California and it is wicked fun to run, he raced it in big bar competitions but with a 20" race chain in a cant it is a demon.
I bought a 655BP cylinder on eBay and @dall brought me a P42hp that is a fun runner as well.
So now I am a little ate up with these saws.
I am probably buying a P60 next weekend on the way to Kevin's GTG in upper Michigan.
Learn me sage saw men, learn me bout these fun 6 cube giants
Dave

There is not much if any difference between the p60 and p61. The only exception would be the p61 western. Most of the p61 western's came with the exhaust at 70% of the bore size, and the larger sdc80 carb. The green p62 was pretty much the same except it came with a newer style ignition. The p62hp really don't seem any different than the older saws, unless it is a cbw. The cbw is a western saw, and some came with the boost port cylinders. The p65 is the same thing as a 655bp. Both of those saws have bigger crank and piston pin bearings, and the boost port cylinder. The p60,p61,p62, and p62hp all used thin ring pistons. The p65 and 655 used a thick ring piston. Some of these saws also came with 2 stage reeds as well. My p61 western came with the 2 stage reeds. I'm sure there is some I'm forgetting, and if I remember more I will post here in this thread.

 

[Lee H]

Of all my big P series and 655's my two P62's are absolute dogs compared
to all my others and I have most models. I have never cut with my P65. I
have some P60's and 61's that run really well. I know there are a few different
carbs used on them. Some are bigger than others but can't remember which
carbs. I had talked with Ed he went by arrowhead a few years back and he
schooled me a bit but I somehow lost the info I had written down. Haven't
seen him on the sites in a few years. Not sure what happened to him.

 

[p61 western]

Of all my big P series and 655's my two P62's are absolute dogs compared
to all my others and I have most models. I have never cut with my P65. I
have some P60's and 61's that run really well. I know there are a few different
carbs used on them. Some are bigger than others but can't remember which
carbs. I had talked with Ed he went by arrowhead a few years back and he
schooled me a bit but I somehow lost the info I had written down. Haven't
seen him on the sites in a few years. Not sure what happened to him.

I wonder what happened to Ed, he was a large p series die hard.

 

[Lee H]

I don't know. He was a wealth of info on these saws. I tried calling
him a couple times quite sometime ago but got no answer and no
call back. He was a very nice guy.

 

[Scotty Overkill]

Just found this thread.........here's a pic of my slightly hopped-up RA sitting in front of my Stihl Contra. Did a timing advance, built a bigger Tillotson carb with sprung tuning screws, ported the intake, built a custom air filter, fabbed air shroud, custom twin bucking spikes......it's a fun saw. A tad scary too.....lol

 

[Definitive Dave]

sooooo...if a guy were to swap a boost port cylinder onto a P60, is that pretty straightforward or is there likely to be a lot of wacky stuff to deal with?
@Genius has a p60 and it looks clean and came from @t-bone as a runner a couple years ago, I am going to get a few other saws from him this weekend and am wondering if I need that one too.
I want to re-create the Rupley p61 Western saw as something I can take to GTG and pass around to strangers without fear .
I like that it is a half wrap, and as a short bar saw the lack of a manual oiler shouldn't matter.

 

[Lee H]

I've never tried that Dave but i'm thinking it should go right on.
You need to try it so you can let us all know. I have a couple boost
port cylinders and wouldn't mind knowing my self. Make sure you
use the largest carb available on these saws. I'm thinking it might
be the sdc.

 

[p61 western]

sooooo...if a guy were to swap a boost port cylinder onto a P60, is that pretty straightforward or is there likely to be a lot of wacky stuff to deal with?
@Genius has a p60 and it looks clean and came from @t-bone as a runner a couple years ago, I am going to get a few other saws from him this weekend and am wondering if I need that one too.
I want to re-create the Rupley p61 Western saw as something I can take to GTG and pass around to strangers without fear .
I like that it is a half wrap, and as a short bar saw the lack of a manual oiler shouldn't matter.

I'm pretty sure you will need a thick ring piston to run with the boost port cylinder. The carb you will want to run would be a sdc 80, they can be found new but not cheap. They have a 19mm venturi and no governor. The p60 should also have the manual oiler, all the 6 cube p series Pioneers came with it. I will look into the piston deal for ya and get back to you Dave. It will definitely make a fun gtg saw for sure.

 

[Definitive Dave]

The cylinder i bought came with the thick ring piston and rings, so I am good there. I am planning to use a modified HT7 for the carb.
Are new pistons for these saws scarce?
Dave

 

[p61 western]

The cylinder i bought came with the thick ring piston and rings, so I am good there. I am planning to use a modified HT7 for the carb.
Are new pistons for these saws scarce?
Dave

They are pretty scarce, especially the thin ring piston and rings. The wrist pin bearing from the 655 might be a different size than the p60 rod.

 

[DSS]

If there's no manual oiler it's not a 60

 

[p61 western]

sooooo...if a guy were to swap a boost port cylinder onto a P60, is that pretty straightforward or is there likely to be a lot of wacky stuff to deal with?
@Genius has a p60 and it looks clean and came from @t-bone as a runner a couple years ago, I am going to get a few other saws from him this weekend and am wondering if I need that one too.
I want to re-create the Rupley p61 Western saw as something I can take to GTG and pass around to strangers without fear .
I like that it is a half wrap, and as a short bar saw the lack of a manual oiler shouldn't matter.

OK I got the low down for ya Dave. The problem is the piston pin. It's a smaller diameter then the pin used on the p60,p61, and p62. The 655 also uses a larger flywheel. It is 1/4 more in diameter. You would also need the 655 ignition. I know it's prolly not what you wanted to hear, but it is what it is.

 

[Lee H]

I'm thinking you could use the boost port cylinder with
the original P60 piston. Is this not doable? Only issue I
can see is if the ring locating pins are in a different location
On a boost port versus non boost port.