Porting, You get what you pay for

[Gravitas]

i'm not defending the porter, he has some explaining to do.

the warranty was void the second it was ported, the owner takes a risk of this happening, who pays? does the entire bill go to the porter?

I accept that the owner would very well be responsible for the cost of the repairs to the crank and the carb. The exception to that would be if it was glaringly obvious the fault of the porter, which I agree in this case would be tough to prove. It would be the builder's responsibility to return a properly running saw regardless of who paid for the parts. I am not sure who paid for the repairs, we likely agree that they were not covered by the manufacturer in the normal sense, but in any case, the saw was still not running properly once repaired.

 

[Tor R]

I get what you are saying.......I really do.

This is a tricky position I'm in. I want to do what is best for the forum.

In all honesty.......I'm not sure how to handle this.

i really understand your problem Randy, I wouldnt know how I could have handle it myself.

 

[cgraham1]

That is very true in the case of the 562XP. Just a popup piston brings them alive.

I still cut the squish on them.........out of habit mostly.

So, if I had a 5xx Husky that I wanted modified, I could have you machine the jug for me, and I would end up with the same outcome as sending you the saw for a port job? And if so, could I still consider that saw 'Mastermind ported'?

In my feeble mind, cutting the base and a pop up, is not the same as porting. I don't know much about porting saws, is why I'm asking.

I'm not trying to be a dick, just wondering?

i'm not defending the porter, he has some explaining to do.

the warranty was void the second it was ported, the owner takes a risk of this happening, who pays? does the entire bill go to the porter?

Would that view change if the dealer was the one doing the 'port work'?

Here's my take on the situation. If I bought a brand new ported saw from a dealer (with port work already done), then I would expect that work to be covered under the dealer's warranty to me... regardless of whether or not Husqvarna would warranty the parts.

I'd be pissed if my brand new saw had a cylinder that looked like that, especially after spending $1000 on it.

 

[exSW]

Do you want to look good or go fast? You may want to ease up on the style points. We all know who leads in the go fast chrome contest. Lay down your pitchforks and extinguish the torches for a bit.

 

[fordf150]

listen guys...i didnt post this for a mob mentality attack...it is a learning thing for me and everyone else involved

 

[Mastermind]

So, if I had a 5xx Husky that I wanted modified, I could have you machine the jug for me, and I would end up with the same outcome as sending you the saw for a port job?
I'm not trying to be a dick, just wondering?

I don't do a 562 that way. But I'm not sure the ones I build run any better......I've never compared.

 

[cgraham1]

listen guys...i didnt post this for a mob mentality attack...it is a learning thing for me and everyone else involved

Agreed. But I don't think it's gotten to that point yet.

 

[Mag Craft]

I understand this sentiment, but can not agree.
If a man finds a way to build a better mouse trap for less money, he is entitled to charge for it whatever he chooses.

I agree but that was clearly not the case here.

 

[fordf150]

WARRANTY:

what is covered and what isnt with a ported saw?

@Mastermind and @tree monkey what do you cover?


this saw had the crank bearings and carb covered in full by "warranty" but the damaged piston and cylinder were "hidden" for a lack of better vocabulary on my part. an uneducated customer listened to an "experienced" builder that it was just a couple scratches that got sanded out and would be fine. In my eyes, on a new saw the P&C need replaced. So if the carb and bearings are covered, why isnt the cylinder also covered

 

[GCJenks204]

listen guys...i didnt post this for a mob mentality attack...it is a learning thing for me and everyone else involved

So let's get back to the original question, pretending that this work was done well what is it worth?

Is it worth $300 over stock to have the pop-up milled and the base cut?

It is my understanding that those are the only things done that would have helped performance

 

[jacob j.]

listen guys...i didnt post this for a mob mentality attack...it is a learning thing for me and everyone else involved

You're always going to get the mob mentality reaction on the forums though. This has been the situation since the beginning.

 

[fordf150]

Porting value:

for all the porters out there.....

at what point do you change what you charge for porting a saw? I understand some saws require massive amounts of work and some very little but does a cut base and popup really justify $200-300? Is that fair to your customers charging full boat for a job that could be done at home by most guys that have a local machine shop.

 

[Mag Craft]

I get what you are saying.......I really do.

This is a tricky position I'm in. I want to do what is best for the forum.

In all honesty.......I'm not sure how to handle this.

You just did fine. I agree it is a tricky position and I see you got the point. I will cut you some slack.

 

[Gypo Logger]

I figured out who it is. I'm not telling though.

Why are you ratting me out! Those tell tale hoof rasp marks are my sig. Lol

 

[sawmikaze]

Do you want to look good or go fast? You may want to ease up on the style points. We all know who leads in the go fast chrome contest. Lay down your pitchforks and extinguish the torches for a bit.

Wise men have told me at times that less is more , they were right a few times..

 

[Hedgerow]

So, if I had a 5xx Husky that I wanted modified, I could have you machine the jug for me, and I would end up with the same outcome as sending you the saw for a port job? And if so, could I still consider that saw 'Mastermind ported'?

In my feeble mind, cutting the base and a pop up, is not the same as porting. I don't know much about porting saws, is why I'm asking.

I'm not trying to be a dick, just wondering?

Would that view change if the dealer was the one doing the 'port work'?

Here's my take on the situation. If I bought a brand new ported saw from a dealer (with port work already done), then I would expect that work to be covered under the dealer's warranty to me... regardless of whether or not Husqvarna would warranty the parts.

I'd be pissed if my brand new saw had a cylinder that looked like that, especially after spending $1000 on it.

If one knows what they're doing, and why, hogging of aluminum is not always needed for excellent results.
Sometimes less really is more.
And yes, you could send Randy a jug and piston to machine and get very good results.
Though he may throw up a little having to cut a popup.

 

[Barneyrb]

I'm hoping to see the person that did the work post in this thread.

Is he a member here?

 

[junkman]

Wise men have told me at times that less is more , they were right a few times..

They was talkin about whats between yer pockets Ryan .

 

[cgraham1]

If one knows what they're doing, and why, hogging of aluminum is not always needed for excellent results.
Sometimes less really is more.
And yes, you could send Randy a jug and piston to machine and get very good results.
Though he may throw up a little having to cut a popup.

Does it need a popup, or can you just cut the squish. I'm talking about a 550/545.

 

[Mastermind]

WARRANTY:

what is covered and what isnt with a ported saw?

@Mastermind and @tree monkey what do you cover?


this saw had the crank bearings and carb covered in full by "warranty" but the damaged piston and cylinder were "hidden" for a lack of better vocabulary on my part. an uneducated customer listened to an "experienced" builder that it was just a couple scratches that got sanded out and would be fine. In my eyes, on a new saw the P&C need replaced. So if the carb and bearings are covered, why isnt the cylinder also covered

I'll fix anything that goes wrong.......and I've eat a lot of stuff that was in no way my fault.

BUT........I can't expect everyone that mods saws to do that. I'm planning on doing this until I'm too old to run a Foredom......and fixing a few saws a year for free is just good business.