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Unfortunately, the 428 PI motors (just the same as T-Bird and GT-500 428s) have 390 heads on them, and were designed for torque, not high RPM power. The 390 heads have smaller combustion chambers and valves than the 428 CJ and use different pistons. Only the KR version of the GT-500 had real CJ heads.

428 CJ and 427 low riser heads have the next size larger combustion chambers (over the 390) and 427 Medium Riser and High Riser Heads have larger combustion chambers and valves than that.

The 428 CJ head was developed by Tasca Ford. They wanted to put 427 Medium Riser heads on the 428, but the bore is not large enough to clear the larger valves. A 428 CJ head has 427 low riser valves and combustion chambers with 427 Medium Riser ports. It worked very well, and Ford built some late year 68 Mustangs with the 428 CJ motor, and they won the NHRA Winter Nationals that year with them.

390, 406 and 427 all have the same stroke, just the bore size changes (4.05; 4.13; 4.23). A 427 Ford is really 425 CI. 410 and 428 engines have longer strokes. A 428 crank in a 427 block is 447 CI. A 360 is a 352 crank in a 390 block, and a 406 is a 390 crank in a 428 block.

390s were one of my favorite engines, very durable, plentiful and capable of producing real power. 428 and 410 engines were externally balanced and not so durable. The 390 GT motor had the same hydraulic cam as a 428 CJ. Unfortunately, in the 67-69 Mustangs, the pathetic exhaust manifolds and transverse mufflers killed their performance. If you put headers and real dual exhaust on them, they came alive. Add a 800 double pumper Holley, Electronic Ignition and Aluminum intake and you had a screamer! (I also put a 427 Ford solid lifter cam in my 68). It was very fast and easily took out built 440 6 pack Super Bees, etc.
 

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The PI... if we ever get around to it haha Will most likely end up in a 4wd 3/4 ton truck after being freshened or rebuilt. So it will probably work well for that application. I think dad payed like $400 for the car some 15+ years ago.
I've got an FE Bible somewhere that covers most of the differences and specifications. I'll have to snag some pictures of our little junk yard next time I'm out there. Lately I've just been tinkering with 2.2l turbo Mazda crap and rounding up stuff to 350 swap my little s10 4wd pick up. My buddy also has a 2wd 66 f250 with the 352. I think the engine was fairly fresh when he bought it back in 08. He has beat the living snot out of it and it still runs very well. He did spin a timing chain off of it but, like a couple days prior I caught up to him on the highway on my old kz400 and we both rolled on the throttle up to 100mph. He proceeds to push the pedal through the floor and pulled away from me. Poor FE was probably spinning like 9 grand! Well... A couple of days later He took off for a job halfway across the state and lost the timing chain. I trailered the truck back. We Pulled the engine and fixed it in a weekend. Used like three different size wrenches/sockets. Wish they still made them like that!
 

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The 352 was a good motor, 4" bore 3.5" stroke. Almost all FE blocks (including my 427) were stamped "352"!

My 427 was a 1966 Holman and Moody seasoned block with the crank trued (cut 10 + 20). It had low riser pistons, so I put 428 CJ heads on it, ran great for the street! It was a side oiler (mechanical cam only) with cross bolted mains. All oil went to the bearings, you could not run hydraulic lifters.
 

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I'm not sure about the 428 PIs, but some of the 390 PIs had solid lifter cams.

You will know when you look at the rocker arms, if they have adjustable screws, you have a solid lifter cam.
 

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I'm not sure about the 428 PIs, but some of the 390 PIs had solid lifter cams.

You will know when you look at the rocker arms, if they have adjustable screws, you have a solid lifter cam.
Ya. I believe I was off on the year. 67 appears to be correct and from what I can find they are supposed to be solid lifter. Wish the body was in good shape...
 

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I guess I never told you guys about when I was 5 years old and flew a cargo plane over the Pacific during the Civil War against the Japanese ?

I think you told me about that once, ain't that the plane that had 3 ford 428 engines? Ya had to rebuild them mid flight over Korea cause they lost all their marbles?
 

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I'm not sure about the 428 PIs, but some of the 390 PIs had solid lifter cams.

You will know when you look at the rocker arms, if they have adjustable screws, you have a solid lifter cam.

Hood hinges were getting ready to come apart so I didn't want to try to open the hood anymore.
 

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I think you told me about that once, ain't that the plane that had 3 ford 428 engines? Ya had to rebuild them mid flight over Korea cause they lost all their marbles?
That's why there were three of them... Had to go WOT to get that heavy thing off the ground. Once you were in the air at least one needed rebuilt.

I worked security at a crash testing facility in AZ. Mythbusters filmed there a couple of times. The crash rail was powered by two FE block ford's. Pretty neat
 

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I dont believe I'd want solid lifters unless it was for racing only.
Constant valve lash setting would suck.
 

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I dont believe I'd want solid lifters unless it was for racing only.
Constant valve lash setting would suck.

In all honesty if it is a legit 428pi and we do place it in a vehicle. It will not accumulate enough miles to where having to adjust the valves would be a constant pita. Take for instance the square body Chevy that we put together had 15k miles on it back in 2010 and has just over 23k miles currently. It was a 84 1/2 ton 4x4. Previous owner reported it stolen in 1986 and parked it in a barn where it sat until he died. We put 3/4 springs and axles in it and swapped the 305 out for a 350. Still has the 700r4 but, it has been upgraded a bit.
 

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Hood hinges were getting ready to come apart so I didn't want to try to open the hood anymore.

Nice looking mid-60 T-Bird in the background there! I remember them well, guy in the neighborhood had one. I believe his was a white 66.
 

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Nice looking mid-60 T-Bird in the background there! I remember them well, guy in the neighborhood had one. I believe his was a white 66.

That one Dad bought for parts. He also has a 64 (white) body is in good shape, had a dash fire. 65 (black with white vinyl top) body is pretty trashed. They are pretty neat cars. I love the instrumentation and the fat guy steering wheel. I'd love to restore one back to running/driving condition. I just don't have the time or money to do so. We need to find them a new home before they rot into the ground.
 

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Sounds like these 2 880 turds are struggling to mill redwood. I hope the 881 is much better
 

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Virtually all the new high-performance cars are only coming with automatic transmissions and launch control because no one know how to drive anymore!

When you step on the gas pedal in my Mustang in first or second gear (and sometimes in third) you either better do it slowly or be really good at counter steering (or a little of both)!

I can be doing 40 in second gear with the clutch out and punch the gas and bust em loose.
 

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Virtually all the new high-performance cars are only coming with automatic transmissions and launch control because no one know how to drive anymore!

When you step on the gas pedal in my Mustang in first or second gear (and sometimes in third) you either better do it slowly or be really good at counter steering (or a little of both)!

I can be doing 40 in second gear with the clutch out and punch the gas and bust em loose.

I drove an 1989 ford probe gt turbo for a few years, torque steer was harder for me to compensate for after learning on rear wheel drive cars.
Hot rod pickups are where you need to get creative! I had a 73' D100 long bed that would break the rear loose at 70mph if I was being stupid.
 
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