What oil is best? and what ratio?

[Egg Shooter]

Red armor was lean tested. It started cleaning up its own mess when put back on 40:1. Dominator did the same thing, it just had much less of it's own mess to clean up. In the 50:1 testing I did, in the pm, Dominator and Red Armor were pretty much dead even in the cleanliness department in two different but identical trimmers that I cleaned up inside to shiney new condition.

As in each oil was ran in each trimmer and cleaned in between.

 

[Mastermind]

Red armor was lean tested. It started cleaning up its own mess when put back on 40:1. Dominator did the same thing, it just had much less of it's own mess to clean up. In the 50:1 testing I did, in the pm, Dominator and Red Armor were pretty much dead even in the cleanliness department in two different but identical trimmers that I cleaned up inside to shiney new condition.

I've never liked Red Armor. Every saw that a customer ever sent me that had been ran on it had a wet nasty spooge in and around the muffler. I'm not sure if it just that it's tough to tune with, or if it just doesn't burn for chit. I wrote it off years ago though.

 

[USMC615]

Yes and any other that advertises that it cleans.

I have a feeling air filters letting fines through could be a big source of carbon buildup regardless of the kind of oil.

Had a lengthy phone conversation prob two years ago if that, with a member here that swears by RA and it’s ability to remove carbon buildup, etc when used. How many tanks of use before noticing differences I can’t remember. But I know one thing, he’s one helluva small engine/two-stroke, etc mechanic and I prob wouldn’t ever learn or know a tenth of his knowledge regarding this stuff. I was just about to change everything over here to RA and he said run what you got (XP+) until it runs out. I’ve got a crazy amount of bottles of XP+ to go through though so I may not live long enough to find out. Lol

 

[Egg Shooter]

I've never liked Red Armor. Every saw that a customer ever sent me that had been ran on it had a wet nasty spooge in and around the muffler. I'm not sure if it just that it's tough to tune with, or if it just doesn't burn for chit. I wrote it off years ago though.

Its finicky to tune and im not the only one to experience this. Some other members on here know exactly what I'm talking about. Then there is that sweet sickening melted crayon stink. I got used to it but it almost ended my use before it got Dominated. It turning the wrist pins blue in both 50:1 cleanliness test trimmers is odd too.

 

[RI Chevy]

What's wrong with a little spooge in and around the muffler? I bet the bearings had plenty of oil on them.

 

[Egg Shooter]

Its finicky to tune and im not the only one to experience this. Some other members on here know exactly what I'm talking about. Then there is that sweet sickening melted crayon stink. I got used to it but it almost ended my use before it got Dominated. It turning the wrist pins blue in both 50:1 cleanliness test trimmers is odd too.

Actually, I'll have to go look back, I think one trimmer for the RA and Dominator clean off was aborted for some reason. To far back to remember correctly. Getting Old sucks. Either way, dead heat in the one they both ran in at 50:1 under my test conditions.

 

[Mastermind]

What's wrong with a little spooge in and around the muffler? I bet the bearings had plenty of oil on them.

When you make a living grinding on mufflers, the last thing you like to see is a muffler that is so wet and sticky that it's damn near impossible to get the metal chips out of it after you mod it. I've spent a lot of time and effort cleaning up nasty mufflers. Although I usually don't do used saws anymore, I still hate a nasty muffler.

 

[Egg Shooter]

What's wrong with a little spooge in and around the muffler? I bet the bearings had plenty of oil on them.

Some people don't like that gummy drool all over their equipment. I didn't have much with RA. More than others that did it but not enough to be an issue. I've seen equipment that had ran unknown oils that looked like roofing tar had been spilled on them. Sticky nasty stuff.

 

[Nutball]

What's wrong with a little spooge in and around the muffler? I bet the bearings had plenty of oil on them.

Just aim the deflector at the chain and you won't need bar oil.

There's a stihl 180 where I work, they use RA and there's lots of wet nasty black all over the muffler. Poor RA is trying to keep up with the 10/10 emissions index it has to chase the carbon out the muffler.

 

[Egg Shooter]

Just aim the deflector at the chain and you won't need bar oil.

There's a stihl 180 where I work, they use RA and there's lots of wet nasty black all over the muffler. Poor RA is trying to keep up with the 10/10 emissions index it has to chase the carbon out the muffler.

Thats the tar type goo I speak of.

 

[whitesnake]

I still have a several bottles of 2R left from back in the day. This I'll just continue to use it up. If I had a 2stroke bike or quad around I'd use it up in that but nothing at the moment.

 

[lehman live edge slab]

What is a carbon removing oil? Like Red Armor?

That no smoke claims to clean carbon off to make more power too

 

[RI Chevy]

I just got by the internals. My 026 is my most used saw. Looks to me like zero wear on piston and jug. Nice sheen on the skirt through the muffler port. Little sheen on the muffler deflector. I just wipe it out and continue running the saw. Plug looks good. Not sure what else to base it on. Plenty of power too.
I'm just a firewooder hack.

 

[Mastermind]

I just got by the internals. My 026 is my most used saw. Looks to me like zero wear on piston and jug. Nice sheen on the skirt through the muffler port. Little sheen on the muffler deflector. I just wipe it out and continue running the saw. Plug looks good. Not sure what else to base it on. Plenty of power too.
I'm just a firewooder hack.

Rule Number One. To thine own self be true.

In other words, use whatever works for you. Just because someone else finds fault with it, that shouldn't cause a defensive reaction in us.....but it usually does. We are just human after all.

 

[rogue60]

Yes and any other that advertises that it cleans.

I have a feeling air filters letting fines through could be a big source of carbon buildup regardless of the kind of oil.

In my experience long term 2000 plus hrs on a saw fines have zero effect inside a saw engine like zero nothing.
Personally I think blown bearings gummed up rings worn through plating bad piston skirt wear carbon build up is all an oil problem nothing to do with sawdust fines.
All my saws eat lots of sawdust fines year after year I don't do anything about it as I know it's doing zero harm but I do run a good cheap mineral oil maybe that's the secret..

 

[Mastermind]

In my experience long term 2000 plus hrs on a saw fines have zero effect inside a saw engine like zero nothing.
Personally I think blown bearings gummed up rings worn through plating bad piston skirt wear carbon build up is all an oil problem nothing to do with sawdust fines.
All my saws eat lots of sawdust fines year after year I don't do anything about it as I know it's doing zero harm but I do run a good cheap mineral oil maybe that's the secret..
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A post based on actual experience? What are you trying to do? Confuse us with facts?

 

[RI Chevy]

Rule Number One. To thine own self be true.

In other words, use whatever works for you. Just because someone else finds fault with it, that shouldn't cause a defensive reaction in us.....but it usually does. We are just human after all.

Yes sir. Well... I used Yamalube based on your recommendations. LOL
NOW we find out it's No Bueno...

 

[Maintenance Chief]

Alot of guys say they've got lots of oil to use up? I was buying some old homelite weed wackers and the fellow gave me a bucket of parts that had a couple of cans of McCulloch oil , probably from the 70s. So how long does 2 stroke keep?
Cans are in a museum in Iowa now.

 

[Nutball]

I have a gallon of Klotz R50. Not sure if I will ever get around to using it, but I already mixed a gallon out of it so it's open.

 

[whitesnake]

Yeah really lol...the yamalube I'm still using up is 15-20 years old I bet. All still sealed in plastic containers.