What oil is best? and what ratio?

[RI Chevy]

Interesting though...
Maybe an Email to ECHO asking if there is a difference in formulas?

 

[Keith Gandy]

Interesting though...
Maybe an Email to ECHO asking if there is a difference in formulas?

There is definetely a difference as the ingredients list suggest. Take a oil like Mobil 5w30 and Royal Purple 5w30 and pull up the MSDS to review ingredients. Royal Purple has several more in their makeup and reflects it in price

 

[Keith Gandy]

RA is the one of the most expensive 2 stroke oils made though. Probably the most for ope. I bet we are getting our panties wadded up over chemistry we don't understand.

Guess you best mail me a bottle of the old formula to test against the new. Put the old vs new is better to the test. I have, in my possession, an identical weed eater unit to the new RA test unit and its in as immaculate condition. I was going to keep it and use it but I've put the new RA unit into service instead.

Id have 0 reservations using the new formula after seeing the tests

 

[ammoaddict]

So saber is recommended for handheld power equipment but dominator is essentially the same oil with more additives? Is that right? Why wouldn't dominator be better? I'm more confused than I was.

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[mdavlee]

So saber is recommended for handheld power equipment but dominator is essentially the same oil with more additives? Is that right? Why wouldn't dominator be better? I'm more confused than I was.

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Dominator is their race oil and Saber is the OPE oil.

 

[ammoaddict]

Both contain esters. We don't know the percentage or type or how many bleneded together, if at all, for each. Both contain the one same base oil and the solvent and the cleaner. Dominator has two other base oils that Saber does not. Who knows what is in each base oil and what they are designed to do. Just the fact Saber says it stabilizes fuel and Dominator does not, even though Dominator appears to have all the same ingredients as Saber plus 2 more, shows how little an MSDS tells you.

Do you think the stabilizer is the only major difference?

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[ammoaddict]

Oh no. Having 2 more base oils is significant and we don't know and will never know the type of ester each uses. Dominator should be a better oil than saber under severe usage.

That's the part I don't understand. I consider ope running at WOT most of the time severe usage. It looks to me like if it had the stabilizer, it would be the better oil for ope and they could do away with saber altogether.

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[ammoaddict]

And from what I've read from people using both, Dom is much cleaner than Saber.

Good to know. I might try dominator next time, I might try Lucas. I'm still undecided.

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[Keith Gandy]

For what it's worth, Amsoil tech recommended Dominator for my Echo 2511T ported by Randy over Saber because its modified. And Saber cost more so it's not a money thing for his recommendation.

From what Ive seen from using Saber in my equipment and seeing the test u ran it would be at the bottom of my list to pick from for me

 

[ammoaddict]

You ever wonder though, if we never looked inside, if saber would serve us well for years? Any oil for that matter.

It probably would. I bought my first saw in 1986 and used only Husqvarna oil in it. I took the cylinder off a couple years ago,( never been apart prior to that) and I have never seen so much carbon in my life. I would never use that oil again even though I used it for over 30 years.

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[ammoaddict]

I just noticed something. You can acquire 100% from the Dominator ingredients. Saber you can't. Even if all Saber ingredients are at the max levels listed it's 56% where the eff is the rest? What else is in there or is there a mistake on the amount of Hydrogenated base oil? Interesting.

Yeah, that's messed up

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[ammoaddict]

Still run strong? Or you tear it down because it was getting weak?

I left ethanol fuel in it and had to rebuild the carb. I decided to tear it down and give it a good cleaning while I was waiting on the carb kit to arrive. But yes it ran good prior to that.

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[mdavlee]

For what it's worth, Amsoil tech recommended Dominator for my Echo 2511T ported by Randy over Saber because its modified. And Saber cost more so it's not a money thing for his recommendation.

I’m going to get some Dominator as soon as I remember to go buy oil. I have enough Mobil for another 2 gallons and I’m out til I find that have gallon of Klotz. What’s everyone paying for Amsoil in a store?

 

[Keith Gandy]

If the one base oil they share isn't a mistake on the Saber table, its only 1-5% of the total on both of them. Up to 50% of the Dominator is the other 2 base oils. Just rambling. I'm out for the night.

Man its proprietary!! They cant reveal that !!

 

[Keith Gandy]

The rest of the Saber is graphite. Super slippery and leaves a nice "film" behind. The film you like so much.

I was a Amsoil rep awhile back. Ran the oil in ported outboards for racing. I liked the lower unit lube cut with transmisson fluid. It was good for another 200 to 300 rpm on the bigend

 

[mdavlee]

According to Amsoil, Dominator retail is like 13 a quart if I recall. Preferred customer gets it for lil under 10.

That’s not awful. I figured $15 a quart as a walk in at least.

 

[Keith Gandy]

Thats a big deal for miles per hr

Yes sir. I spent thousands on engine work trying to achieve the same. The last few hundred rpm on the bigend cost $$$ !! Engine work, props, blueprinting hulls, etc

 

[Keith Gandy]

Keith, why would you run Saber over Dominator in ported outboards? Very curious on that.

I wouldnt now but it worked but I also had the engine on a steady diet of OMC Engine Tuner/ Cleaner

 

[Duane(Pa)]

I wouldnt now but it worked but I also had the engine on a steady diet of OMC Engine Tuner/ Cleaner

Which is RA, which is ATF... Right ?

 

[full chizel]

Normal wot usage on ope, like blowing leaves ect is not like a 60 hp dirt bike racing in the desert, running dunes or in full moto cross mode.

Riding at Sand Lake on my Banshee it got 25:1 Maxima 927