What oil is best? and what ratio?

[Greenerpastures]

Tried out my TTO tach today.
Have an issue, sometimes it looses the plot
and gives strange reading, goblty goop.
Other than his, I tuned the 7900 to 12240,
I noted that no matter how much leaner I made her
she never moved from 12240.
She Picked up well and so I tried to lean her out a little more, because I thought something was up as leaning did not produce any further rpm, but at 12300 the strange figures started coming, and the four stroking came too.
I thought this through, and started to tuned her rich again, and the Tach cam back to normal untill I hit the 12300 again.
Good job I was using the Tach, I put her back to
12oo0 now and she four strokes plenty, does not
heat or put any oil out the front, plug is good too.
The coil limiting was causing her to fourstroke
and when it was doing so it threw the Tach into
disarray.
The engines own fourstroking sound is distinct,
it rumbles unmistakeably, however the noise of the limited coil is a good bit louder when it was allowed to interup things. I was trying to get rid of it and could not, only for the Tack I could have entered the danger zone.
When I got the saw running good, I put in the spark screen,
and it made absolutely no difference to how the saw ran,
the RPM never altered, and I ran her plenty to make sure,
I noted no extra heat either, so far so good.
And am using 40:1 Jonsered Fully Synthetic oil I have this past two years.
After a few gallons, I will switch her over to Mobil 1 2T Racing and see if there is
a difference, its the only way I will ever know, Its the saw I use the least, so I don't
mind testing with her.

 

[Greenerpastures]

I've seen saws live lives you can't believe and still make it a few years on stihl oil..this stuff gets ridiculous sometimes.

I like the older oils too, and if it were not for the
blocked up muffler to keep the EPA happy, I would use it now, am just trying to keep the screen clean and the saw cool.

 

[Cracker Boy]

I like the older oils too, and if it were not for the
the blocked up muffler to keep the EPA happy, I would use it now, am just trying to keep the screen clean and the saw cool.

I think its not so much the oils that are the problem,but the epa the heatand filtration is the number 1 killer.just like now they are finding heat is worse on auto batteries then the cold they allways thought was in past.just like on autos there finding as well that dirty filters is worse then cheaper oils or lack of mait.of oil changes.

 

[Greenerpastures]

A Question, I had a go at my CS 501 with the
Tach, I ran her with the oil that came in her,
let her heat up, noted the idle and max rpm, which I thought low.
I then took the oil that came in her out and
bottled it, it was supposed to be 50:1, and despite
the Echo dealer drumming it into me to only use
echo FD grade, he did't use it, wrong colour came out.
I put Echo PowerblendX at 40:1 into her.
I tuned her to 11260, because her max is
13700, so I though this is would be ok, as she
would climb a as she loosened up.
I let her cool down and stopped her, put her outside in the cold to completely cool, then took out the plug, she was clean,
plug was good too.
But I was puzzled, an engine with a stated rpm
of 13700 and it not two stroking at 11260, so I
warmed her up again, richened her untill I got
her to two stroke anough, I had to go all the way
back down to 10800, which is only slightly higher
than what she was set at when I first started her with the 50:1 that came in her.
This saw never fourstroked which is why I did not run her since new until I got the tach.

And finally onto my question,
When I got the saw, she was too slow to start,
two pulls, sometimes three pulls on the choke,
and a further two or three to start her, she was not getting enough fuel, and she would stay bogged down untill she was warm, so I gave her some extra fuel on the low setting, she revs slightly better now from cold, but to contradict this, she now tries to fire on the second pull of the choke, but still takes the same amount of pulls after the choke is put off.
I see no point in riching the low, as she tries to fire on the second pull with the choke on, so she obviousely is getting enough juice.
So why still two to three pulls after the choke.
All my other saws only need two pulls after the choke and they never try to fire on the choke.
I cant see riching the low helping, as she alread tries to fire on the choke.
Any suggestions anyone.

 

[bwalker]

What I posted much earlier shows, there is a direct link between the flashpoint of oils and what purpose the oils are best suited to.
How about we put in an oil that does not burn at all, just spit it out the exhaust port,
or one that has such a low flash point in goes off before the fuel, (have a look), all the
recent low smoke low ash oils show this clearly, echo powerblend in particular.
Viscosity of oil and Shear strength are also to be noted, because you need to ensure flow and still mentain shear protection, fact, armour 50:1 demonstrates this clearly.
We all know two stroke oils are a blend, fact, read the ingredients in the oils.
We all know that so far the oil blends of our choice
is added to the fuel in our chainsaws, fact, ask anyone.

What you have demonstrated is you do not understand what flashpoint measures. Hint, it doesn' measures the temperature at which the base oils combust.
Really the only information that can be determined by flashpoint is if an oil uses a solvent in its blend. The majority of the oils on the market now days to use a solvent hence the trend toward lower flash point numbers.
The only reason flashpoint is even listed on n MSDD is for shipping and storage purposes.

 

[Keith Gandy]

What you have demonstrated is you do not understand what flashpoint measures. Hint, it doesn' measures the temperature at which the base oils combust.
Really the only information that can be determined by flashpoint is if an oil uses a solvent in its blend. The majority of the oils on the market now days to use a solvent hence the trend toward lower flash point numbers.
The only reason flashpoint is even listed on n MSDD is for shipping and storage purposes.

Thats what I remember u stated back in this thread is that its purpose was for more a safety aspect in shipping. Thank u

 

[Greenerpastures]

What you have demonstrated is you do not understand what flashpoint measures. Hint, it doesn' measures the temperature at which the base oils combust..
Really the only information that can be determi ed by flashpoint is if an oil uses a solvent in its blend. The majority f the oils on the market now days to use a solvent hence the trend toward lower flash point numbers.

I know it does not measure temprature at which
the oils combust, that information is also available, but it comes after grasping how modern oils have lower flashpoints, after grasping this, then of course look at the combustion tempratures.
if it flashes at a lower temprature, then its well on its way to combusing.
I have a lot of things I don't understand,
I have conundrum regarding My CS 501,
any idea what could be going on there, its a few posts back.

Thank's, john

 

[bwalker]

I know it does not measure temprature at which
the oils combust, that information is also available, but it comes after grasping how modern oils have lower flashpoints, after grasping this, then of course look at the combustion tempratures.
if it flashes at a lower temprature, then its well on its way to combusing.
I have a lot of things I don't understand,
I have conundrum regarding My CS 501,
any idea what could be going on there, its a few posts back.

Thank's, john

Again, flash point doesn' tell you anything about how an oil combusts...

 

[Cracker Boy]

Im starting to feel like were talking about cooking oils now with all this flashpoint jazz.just sayin

 

[Moparmyway]

I didn't know you ran Red Armor oil Kevin.
You run it at 32:1?

I run a bunch of oils Jeff, mainly because I’ll grab some when I see a deal. I’ve got a few favorites, but these things are just saws to me. I used to run Lawn Boy @ 32:1 in everything, for 20 years, nothing blew up.

I run most everything at 5oz/gallon now. 1 fuel can, no worries.

 

[RI Chevy]

Thanks Kevin. I also try many oils like you. Whatever I can get the best deal on. [emoji106]

 

[jakethesnake]

I run a bunch of oils Jeff, mainly because I’ll grab some when I see a deal. I’ve got a few favorites, but these things are just saws to me. I used to run Lawn Boy @ 32:1 in everything, for 20 years, nothing blew up.

I run most everything at 5oz/gallon now. 1 fuel can, no worries.

What ratio does that come out to. I may convert to just that I cooked a 346 not so long ago. Still a little but hurt over that one. I like the extra oil Oil girl was dry inside

 

[jakethesnake]

Round 24:1 ish I guess. Maybe I could do math before I ask dumb questions

 

[Cracker Boy]

Im starting to feel like were talking about cooking oils now with all this flashpoint jazz.just sayin

 

[jakethesnake]

Still a fan of whale oil 32.1

 

[Cracker Boy]

Still a fan of whale oil 32.1

Aww its just a bunch of blubber..i say smurf piss and its blue at 40/1

 

[Dub11]

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Didn't see KY listed wth?

 

[Cracker Boy]

Didn't see KY listed wth?

His or hers. Or 50 50 wich you like bestest

 

[Dub11]

His or hers. Or 50 50 wich you like bestest

Oh boy didn't know there was so many. Somebody better get to testing.

 

[jakethesnake]

His or hers. Or 50 50 wich you like bestest

Too tingly