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simple google search...

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/engineering-explained-high-vs-low-octane-petrol/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating


fyi - all my recent Stihl manuals say "use mid-grad unleaded gasoline with a minimum octane rating of 89 (R+M/2) and no more than 10% ethanol content." Key word = MINIMUM octane rating of 89
The first article is biased towards cars and isn't very in depth.
I think stihl is smart to do this given the variable nature of pump fuel, how lean many modern engines run and the variability of ethanol content.
It's never a bad idea to run non E premium fuel in a two cycle.
 

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So in these short 2 stroke saws with 240psi its not necessary or has an advantage to run a high octane fuel that offers resistance to detonation? Have u ever heard a saw detonate?
Detonation can't be heard in many cases, so know I haven't heard it,lol.
240psi is a fairly meaningless number when determining octane content. However, given what I gather about the compression ratios of ported saws, and given the bore size I think you would be fine with non E premium.
 

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my sense is that

1. Stihl says to use a minium of 89.

2. I seriously doubt any engineer at stihl anticipated any home or pro user using anything besides what they can get at the pump

3. highest I've seen at a pump of a "regular" gas station was 93

4. so I seriously doubt stihl designed the saw to run on anything beyond that. ie. anything beyond that is likely losing you power. (in a stock saw)

5. It seems reasonable to me to assume that 91 eth free would be about perfect for a stock saw. The question I would have is does a ported saw with higher compression need more than 91? If so how much more?

6. Since we know that too high of a octane is going to retard performance. Than a simple test should do the trick. Is say 93 or 94 in a ported saw faster than 91? Is there a temp difference?
I agree with everything except points 4 and 6. Octane rating in and of itself will not decrease performance.
 

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my sense is that

1. Stihl says to use a minium of 89.

2. I seriously doubt any engineer at stihl anticipated any home or pro user using anything besides what they can get at the pump

3. highest I've seen at a pump of a "regular" gas station was 93

4. so I seriously doubt stihl designed the saw to run on anything beyond that. ie. anything beyond that is likely losing you power. (in a stock saw)

5. It seems reasonable to me to assume that 91 eth free would be about perfect for a stock saw. The question I would have is does a ported saw with higher compression need more than 91? If so how much more?

6. Since we know that too high of a octane is going to retard performance. Than a simple test should do the trick. Is say 93 or 94 in a ported saw faster than 91? Is there a temp difference?
I think thats too close in octane to tell a difference. If testing id say do 110 and 87
 

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Many high-performance engines are designed to operate with a high maximum compression, and thus demand fuels of higher octane. A common misconception is that power output or fuel efficiency can be improved by burning fuel of higher octane than that specified by the engine manufacturer. The power output of an engine depends in part on the energy density of the fuel being burnt. Fuels of different octane ratings may have similar densities, but because switching to a higher octane fuel does not add more hydrocarbon content or oxygen, the engine cannot develop more power.

However, burning fuel with a lower octane rating than that for which the engine is designed often results in a reduction of power output and efficiency. Many modern engines are equipped with a knock sensor (a small piezoelectric microphone), which sends a signal to the engine control unit, which in turn retards the ignition timing when detonation is detected. Retarding the ignition timing reduces the tendency of the fuel-air mixture to detonate, but also reduces power output and fuel efficiency. Because of this, under conditions of high load and high temperature, a given engine may have a more consistent power output with a higher octane fuel, as such fuels are less prone to detonation.


from reading the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating - I am getting the impression that the higher the octane rating the more and more it resists detonation. At some point, I would think that would be counter productive to output...obviously highly dependent on the capabilities of the engine design.
Keep in mind resisting detonation isn't the same thing as resisting combustion or ignition. Detonation actually occurs after the spark plug has fired and the combustion event has begun.
 
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