What oil is best? and what ratio?

[jake wells]

i run a synthetic blend.
most of the time 50:1 and 32:1
50:1 for the bg 50, fs130 and the redmax and 32:1 for the lawnboys and saws i pack two fuel cans.
35.00 per gallon

 

[mdavlee]

I have to agree with mdavlee , I just can't see the need to run a saw at 32:1 with these modern synthetic oils or even dino .
Myself , from what I've seen (in my time) is 40:1 is plenty , 50:1 OK too in most cases of average use and if using a known good synthetic oil .
With M-tronic and Auto tune saws I think 32:1 is too much , I feel it probably over taxes the control unit causing possible bad metering.

That's just my thoughts on it guys , not preaching to anyone .
I'm old school

I won't run anything less than 32:1 milling. I was in a hurry the other day and forgot my jug was 1.25 gallons is the only reason it wasn't 32:1. 4 Oz of oil for that jug wasn't too little oil. The 562 likes the K2 better than the klotz. Thinner viscosity seems better for them.

 

[Keith Gandy]

Maybe lower viscosity ia better at 32:1 like GP7 or 2r vs a high viscosity like R50 or Motul 800

I tried 50:1 a while back and it looked okay with Benol, however after that I went back to 32:1 just because old habbits die hard.

I probably should try 40:1 in the 661 but everything else does not mind32:1, that may change if I can get a euro coil though.

40:1 did look good in the 441 when I got it back in 2011..... now you have me thinking lol

Sent from my non internal combustion device.

Im not sure but I do know the esters cause the oil to stay put on surfaces better than a non ester oil. The red armor does an excellent job at this and should benefit from this on cold startup just like Fords do with Motorcraft oil filter with a check valve to keep oil in the topend! Not like them rattin Chevys on startup with that non checked valve delco oil filter!!!!

 

[Keith Gandy]

I won't run anything less than 32:1 milling. I was in a hurry the other day and forgot my jug was 1.25 gallons is the only reason it wasn't 32:1. 4 Oz of oil for that jug wasn't too little oil. The 562 likes the K2 better than the klotz. Thinner viscosity seems better for them.

Red Armor is 10.3 viscosity at 212 and one of the only ester based OPE oils that I know of

 

[Keith Gandy]

so if you've been following my take downs you know super techniplate made a giant mess of the saw in just 4 tanks and been trying to get it clean ever since.

Previous take down: schaeffers 5 tanks 25:1
this take down: red armor 5-6 tanks 40:1


previous takedown schaeffers 25:1

this take down Red Armor 40:1

previous takedown schaeffers 25:1

this take down Red Armor 40:1

previous takedown schaeffers 25:1

this take down Red Armor 40:1

some thoughts...

- red armor does seem to clean things. I do think schaeffers does it better though.

- red armor is pretty impressive as far as residual oil. I do think the red dye makes it look like there is more oil then there really is. I am impressed at what is left at 40:1 vs what was left with schaeffers at 25:1.

- I noticed that the red armor residual seems to be gooey or sticky rather than what the rest have been like...oily?. Is this good or bad? I don't know.

- there is more crusty carbon on the exhaust side top of the cylinder vs the schaeffers so that is a bit concerning. But there seemed to be less of this problem when I ran 32:1 (see below link)

***edit: incorrect. see few posts down from this one***- there seems to be more build up on the top of the piston than what I started with.

- I've been running 28" 8pin 404 full comp on everything. So a decent load. I don't think I would run 40:1 again with that load on the saw. I'd probably go back to 32: or 36:1.

- here is link to when I ran red armor 32:1 but it was right after the klotz supertechniplate sludge. http://opeforum.com/threads/what-oil-is-best-and-what-ratio.98/page-354#post-153597


- I guess I am thinking there isn't much point to these take downs anymore unless the load and ratio is consistent. I'm thinking a 36" bar 404 full comp and 32:1 across the board.

- and to eliminate some - seems the best idea would be to do the oil test and take the top 3-5 performers and run those each for 8-10 tanks with the 36" 404 full comp and then take em down.

- attached below some more pics from this take down (40:1 red armor)

If u look on Echos web they only claim to clean a piston that was carboned after about 60 hrs. Alot more running needed but it definetely starting cleaning it up some? I hadnt found much to not like about Red Armor but Im interested to see how it performs in the stackup

 

[KenJax Tree]

Red Armor is 10.3 viscosity at 212 and one of the only ester based OPE oils that I know of

Saber is 11.1 and contains ester. Its blue so doesn't show up as well as the red.

 

[Keith Gandy]

Saber is 11.1 and contains ester. Its blue so doesn't show up as well as the red.

Ive used Amsoil a good bit. Good oil but I like Red better!!! Lol

 

[Keith Gandy]

Ive used Amsoil a good bit. Good oil but I like Red better!!! Lol

Chris do u notice any differences, mixes easier, smokes less, tuning, etc. Between Saber and Red Armor?

 

[Nitehawk55]

I won't run anything less than 32:1 milling. I was in a hurry the other day and forgot my jug was 1.25 gallons is the only reason it wasn't 32:1. 4 Oz of oil for that jug wasn't too little oil. The 562 likes the K2 better than the klotz. Thinner viscosity seems better for them.

I could see 32:1 for milling but not many of us do that .

 

[Keith Gandy]

the build up or start thereof on the exhaust side of the piston concerned me with amsoil. I was running it at 32:1 This is after 3 gallons of it on a new piston and jug.

here is the rest of the take down -
http://opeforum.com/threads/what-oil-is-best-and-what-ratio.98/page-307#post-132528
&
http://opeforum.com/threads/what-oil-is-best-and-what-ratio.98/page-307#post-132531

I always got a ashy buildup with Amsoil but nothin that really concerned me. Wonder whats in the red armor that cleans? Does Naphtha clean?

 

[mdavlee]

I could see 32:1 for milling but not many of us do that .

True.

 

[Jose A.S.T.S.]

@Keith Gandy In order how would you rate Lucas, amsoil. I just ran through a bottle of Lucas in my stock saws seemed to run really well 44-1 all the way down to my trim saws, thought about trying something else. Red armor is hard to get here and I would have to drive 40+ to maybe get it. What do you suggest Lucas, amsoil saber, 10 minutes from the house.

 

[Adirondackstihl]

 

[Keith Gandy]

@Keith Gandy In order how would you rate Lucas, amsoil. I just ran through a bottle of Lucas in my stock saws seemed to run really well 44-1 all the way down to my trim saws, thought about trying something else. Red armor is hard to get here and I would have to drive 40+ to maybe get it. What do you suggest Lucas, amsoil saber, 10 minutes from the house.

Ive ran Lucas with no problems but I think Amsoil , k2, r2, 800t, kl200, red armor, hp2 are all better. I like ester oils. At the moment I like red armor for everyday protection and a working oil but favor kl200 for performance but thats just a guess and Im curious to see Redbulls performance test with red armor

 

[junkman]

Is red armor rated as a storage oil ? that is important if your weedeaters sit with fuel in them over the winter .

 

[Keith Gandy]

Is red armor rated as a storage oil ? that is important if your weedeaters sit with fuel in them over the winter .

Yes

 

[Keith Gandy]

@Keith Gandy In order how would you rate Lucas, amsoil. I just ran through a bottle of Lucas in my stock saws seemed to run really well 44-1 all the way down to my trim saws, thought about trying something else. Red armor is hard to get here and I would have to drive 40+ to maybe get it. What do you suggest Lucas, amsoil saber, 10 minutes from the house.

Red Armor can be bought on Ebay

 

[Keith Gandy]

http://www.redarmoroil.com/

 

[Keith Gandy]

http://opeforum.com/attachments/ech...5/?temp_hash=59774ca2d0f1a48ebd0de349bc1c5d16

 

[Nitehawk55]

Had a good chat with my friend at Echo Canada today, was a good visit and I came home with 3- 500ml bottles of Red Armor to try out .
Wasn't much in the way of info on the oil , it's made to their specs of course but I guess it was developed to be a "better" 2 stroke oil out on the market for those wanting that , it has esters as we know and a heavy add pack for cleaning which we are seeing .
Chainsaws aren't a big part of Echo's plan , they know they will never catch Stihl and Husky but they do make good saws to compliment their other equipment , trimmers , blowers and the like .
They too will eventually have to up their EPA game so there will be changes to their saws to meet those so buy the good simple stuff while you still can !! , I'll be getting a CS590 for my son in the coming weeks .