What oil is best? and what ratio?

[Redbull661]

so if you've been following my take downs you know super techniplate made a giant mess of the saw in just 4 tanks and been trying to get it clean ever since.

Previous take down: schaeffers 5 tanks 25:1
this take down: red armor 5-6 tanks 40:1


previous takedown schaeffers 25:1

this take down Red Armor 40:1

previous takedown schaeffers 25:1

this take down Red Armor 40:1

previous takedown schaeffers 25:1

this take down Red Armor 40:1

some thoughts...

- red armor does seem to clean things. I do think schaeffers does it better though.

- red armor is pretty impressive as far as residual oil. I do think the red dye makes it look like there is more oil then there really is. I am impressed at what is left at 40:1 vs what was left with schaeffers at 25:1.

- I noticed that the red armor residual seems to be gooey or sticky rather than what the rest have been like...oily?. Is this good or bad? I don't know.

- there is more crusty carbon on the exhaust side top of the cylinder vs the schaeffers so that is a bit concerning. But there seemed to be less of this problem when I ran 32:1 (see below link)

***edit: incorrect. see few posts down from this one***- there seems to be more build up on the top of the piston than what I started with.

- I've been running 28" 8pin 404 full comp on everything. So a decent load. I don't think I would run 40:1 again with that load on the saw. I'd probably go back to 32: or 36:1.

- here is link to when I ran red armor 32:1 but it was right after the klotz supertechniplate sludge. http://opeforum.com/threads/what-oil-is-best-and-what-ratio.98/page-354#post-153597


- I guess I am thinking there isn't much point to these take downs anymore unless the load and ratio is consistent. I'm thinking a 36" bar 404 full comp and 32:1 across the board.

- and to eliminate some - seems the best idea would be to do the oil test and take the top 3-5 performers and run those each for 8-10 tanks with the 36" 404 full comp and then take em down.

- attached below some more pics from this take down (40:1 red armor)

 

[Nitehawk55]

Thanks redbull , you put a lot of work into this.....appreciated .

I think the Red Armor is ester based so likely why it's gooey , I think you would find the Motul 800 the same .

 

[Jlgholland]

I've been running HP2 @ 32:1 and I plan on sticking with it permanently. Thanks for the testing redbull

 

[KenJax Tree]

Red Armor looks like its doing what its supposed to do.

 

[Redbull661]

Correction - I said the piston top looked like it had more build up on it. That is incorrect.

I scraped a bunch off prior to this picture. So this is the "start value" if you will... how it looked BEFORE running red armor 40:1

this is AFTER running red armor 40:1 5-6 tanks... the carbon layer is thinner for sure and no doubt more of the piston is clearing up. (look at the edges of both pics. Anyway still good stuff. Just don't think 40:1 was ideal for the load I was putting on the saw. And I will say the saw ran good using it. Very curious to see how it stacks up against others in the oil test.

 

[mdavlee]

My 562 runs better the less oil I've run through it. Last couple tanks was k2 at 40-42:1. I was in a hurry and didn't measure it perfect or rinse the cup.

 

[sawmikaze]

My 562 runs better the less oil I've run through it. Last couple tanks was k2 at 40-42:1. I was in a hurry and didn't measure it perfect or rinse the cup.

Same here mike ... all my mtrons and autos ran better with less oil.

 

[Nitehawk55]

I have to agree with mdavlee , I just can't see the need to run a saw at 32:1 with these modern synthetic oils or even dino .
Myself , from what I've seen (in my time) is 40:1 is plenty , 50:1 OK too in most cases of average use and if using a known good synthetic oil .
With M-tronic and Auto tune saws I think 32:1 is too much , I feel it probably over taxes the control unit causing possible bad metering.

That's just my thoughts on it guys , not preaching to anyone .
I'm old school

 

[hseII]

Has anyone even tried stihl mix to see if makes more power ,i am talking the orange bottle cheap stuff ?

My real dealer seems to OF quit carrying it.

I'm going to source some red armor for use after all this Ultra is gone.

 

[CR500]

Maybe lower viscosity ia better at 32:1 like GP7 or 2r vs a high viscosity like R50 or Motul 800

I tried 50:1 a while back and it looked okay with Benol, however after that I went back to 32:1 just because old habbits die hard.

I probably should try 40:1 in the 661 but everything else does not mind32:1, that may change if I can get a euro coil though.

40:1 did look good in the 441 when I got it back in 2011..... now you have me thinking lol

Sent from my non internal combustion device.

 

[Nitehawk55]

I wonder what results would be stock saw VS ported ??

 

[hseII]

I'm interested to see the results of Sabre & Red Armor in non tronic saws to know whether to run 32:1 or 40:1 like the sticker on my saw says. [emoji8]

 

[hseII]

I wonder what results would be stock saw VS ported ??

The stock is the wooden part of the gun, right?

 

[stihl saws]

The stock is the wooden part of the gun, right?

Unless it's synthetic, then you have started another oil thread.

 

[hseII]

Unless it's synthetic, then you have started another oil thread.

Yes.

Edit:
Dino vs. Synthetic

 

[stihl saws]

Yes.

Edit:
Dino vs. Synthetic

If your going to get into guns that will kill dinosaurs, this will take a while.

 

[hseII]

If your going to get into guns that will kill dinosaurs, this will take a while.

Where did you source your primers then?

 

[hseII]

Where did you source your primers then?

I did it again.

Can you add an * or something?

 

[stihl saws]

I did it again.

Can you add an * or something?

Haha! The primers came from Dino-Nobel. Honestly, when I picked the name I didn't know there was a stihl sawing.

 

[hseII]

Haha! The primers came from Dino-Nobel. Honestly, when I picked the name I didn't know there was a stihl sawing.

Yes.

The teeth on his 2nd hand saw were taken from a 1 legged Pterodactyl.

The Pterodactyl lived another 25 years after the extraction.