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A 2t engine will only benefit from high octane fuel if the engine needs a more chemically stable fuel at higher temps and pressures. If you don't have the compression/spark advance it will rob power simple.
This isn't true at all. There is no power rob at all. Most gasoline has the same BTU content thus makes the same power.
Octane is a measure of a fuels resistance to detonation nation, not it's resistance to ignition or its flame speed,etc.
 

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This isn't true at all. There is no power rob at all. Most gasoline has the same BTU content thus makes the same power.
Octane is a measure of a fuels resistance to detonation nation, not it's resistance to ignition or its flame speed,etc.
I use to have a 066 that after a long cut on 87 it wouldn't shut off. Lol

Out of all the saws I have took apart I've seen 2 that was detonating, a stock almost new ms460 and a stock red light 066.
Both were eating the piston crown.
 

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I know that 87 makes more power in a saw than 105 octane, I've tried it and it will take the snap away from your saw.

I've always been told you want the lowest octane you can run without detonation, that's in a race car though.
 

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High octane fuel with stronger molecular bonds resist being burnt without high temp/compression. Lower octane fuel with weaker molecular bonds will burn better at lower temp/compression. This is why hi octane produces less power in a saw application. Nothing to do with BTU.
 

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And synthetics have far worse scuff resistance than mineral/caster.
 

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I use to have a 066 that after a long cut on 87 it wouldn't shut off. Lol

Out of all the saws I have took apart I've seen 2 that was detonating, a stock almost new ms460 and a stock red light 066.
Both were eating the piston crown.
Many times the only way to detect detonation is with a detonation counter. Many times an engine seizes and guys think it's just a lean seizure, but in reality an extended amount of slight detonation caused it. I believe this happens much more than people realise and it's why I always run non E premium.
High octane fuel with stronger molecular bonds resist being burnt without high temp/compression. Lower octane fuel with weaker molecular bonds will burn better at lower temp/compression. This is why hi octane produces less power in a saw application. Nothing to do with BTU.
Except high octane fuel don't resist ignition anymore than low octane fuels. Simply looking at a fuels distillation curve will prove this true.
 

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And synthetics have far worse scuff resistance than mineral/caster.
Nothing as good as castor in regards to seizure protection. Synthetics however, are better than mineral oils in this regard.
 

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I know that 87 makes more power in a saw than 105 octane, I've tried it and it will take the snap away from your saw.

I've always been told you want the lowest octane you can run without detonation, that's in a race car though.
Depending at what fuel your talking about this is most likely distillation curve related and nothing to do with octane.
 

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Depending at what fuel your talking about this is most likely distillation curve related and nothing to do with octane.
My point is if I go to the gas station and buy 87 and 100 or 105 the saw makes more power on the 87,whether it's because of the octane or how they brew it doesn't make a squirt of piss to me.

87 will make more power than high octane gas for whatever reason.

I did run 91 or 93 and couldn't tell any difference but get up to 98 and higher it looses.
 

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My point is if I go to the gas station and buy 87 and 100 or 105 the saw makes more power on the 87,whether it's because of the octane or how they brew it doesn't make a squirt of piss to me.

87 will make more power than high octane gas for whatever reason.

I did run 91 or 93 and couldn't tell any difference but get up to 98 and higher it looses.
Chad tested octane on a dyno and it was like 91 was a tad more output average over 100 if I remember right on the octane #s. It was on Firewood Hoarders Club Forum
 

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Chad tested octane on a dyno and it was like 91 was a tad more output average over 100 if I remember right on the octane #s. It was on Firewood Hoarders Club Forum
They loose there snap with race gas.
If it'd not the octane doing it then something else is.
I'm absolutely positive that testing gas and oil your results will vary from saw to saw. Even two of the same saws will be different, I don't see how a test in one saw can mean much across the board.
 

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They loose there snap with race gas.
If it'd not the octane doing it then something else is.
I'm absolutely positive that testing gas and oil your results will vary from saw to saw. Even two of the same saws will be different, I don't see how a test in one saw can mean much across the board.
I really dont either. Im seeing totally different combustion characteristics between my 550xp and 562xp with kl200
 

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[QUOT9E="jmssaws, post: 150071, member: 291"]They loose there snap with race gas.
If it'd not the octane doing it then something else is.
I'm absolutely positive that testing gas and oil your results will vary from saw to saw. Even two of the same saws will be different, I don't see how a test in one saw can mean much across the board.[/QUOTE]
Not with race gas suitable for a two stroke.
 

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Many high-performance engines are designed to operate with a high maximum compression, and thus demand fuels of higher octane. A common misconception is that power output or fuel efficiency can be improved by burning fuel of higher octane than that specified by the engine manufacturer. The power output of an engine depends in part on the energy density of the fuel being burnt. Fuels of different octane ratings may have similar densities, but because switching to a higher octane fuel does not add more hydrocarbon content or oxygen, the engine cannot develop more power.

However, burning fuel with a lower octane rating than that for which the engine is designed often results in a reduction of power output and efficiency. Many modern engines are equipped with a knock sensor (a small piezoelectric microphone), which sends a signal to the engine control unit, which in turn retards the ignition timing when detonation is detected. Retarding the ignition timing reduces the tendency of the fuel-air mixture to detonate, but also reduces power output and fuel efficiency. Because of this, under conditions of high load and high temperature, a given engine may have a more consistent power output with a higher octane fuel, as such fuels are less prone to detonation. Some modern high performance engines are actually optimized for higher than pump premium (93 AKI in the US). The 2001 - 2007 BMW M3 with the S54 engine is one such car. Car and Driver magazine tested a car using a dynamometer, and found that the power output increased as the AKI was increased up to approximately 96 AKI.



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Higher octane is likely best used on saws that have been modded with upped compression and advanced timing , I would think running regular would be a detonation risk .

I use the Shell V power because it's the only E free fuel I can get and the saw runs fine with it .
 

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Higher octane is likely best used on saws that have been modded with upped compression and advanced timing , I would think running regular would be a detonation risk .

I use the Shell V power because it's the only E free fuel I can get and the saw runs fine with it .
I think the stroke is too short for detonation in most saws and ported work saws as well
 
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