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[singinwoodwackr]

You calling him a liar?

 

[singinwoodwackr]

I work on saws because I enjoy it. I’m retired so it ain’t an income source. If I can break even once and a while I’m great. If I don’t, o well… Some people are like that.

 

[lehman live edge slab]

Ripsaw too! Whatever your thoughts/feelings are towards Billy Shine, you’ve gotta admit the guy is a marketing genius

Honestly not a fan just because they charge a premium for 50-70% of what guys on here get depending on model of saw. Also now buckin is pushing the heck out of them and yes it’s marketing, I lump a 400-500$ re-handled ax and a ripsaw ported saw in the same category. Apparently you never saw the early ads with the plained cylinder and some of the other I’m trying to sound overly smart about something I know nothing about. But this is just my opinion.

 

[lehman live edge slab]

Ah, didn’t know this was your saw.

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I agree in part - however it Has to be a “gainful” endeavor otherwise what’s the sense of doing it? Thousands invested in tooling , knowledge gleaned thru years of the school of hard knocks etc - You have to make something just to cover the sandpaper, bits and inserts etc etc …

scott I’m sure runs his shop same as my uncle did his machine shop next door, while everyone is in it to make money and survive some don’t sweat the little stuff. There’s going to be jobs that don’t go right and you make little to no money on but lots of times it’s due to unexpected circumstances and the good ones won’t double or triple their prices because it’s nobody’s fault. My uncle also had jobs where he’d done the same parts for a company before and after all the initial set up was done he could turn the parts out in 1/4 the time as the first few times but price stayed the same for the products. It all averaged out for him and he always had more work than he knew what to do with along with a stellar reputation. He’s always big into getting jobs or work that lots of others wouldn’t do because they figured it was to hard or wouldn’t be profitable. My uncle always loved a challenge and did many of the tough/undesirable machining jobs, he’s told me many times over the years people telling someone something can’t be fixed is just an excuse most times. He said a person designed an built it and a person can fix it but only question is it worth the time and money to do it.

 

[Duane(Pa)]

How about we just let Scott post his content here in a handy central location. If you axe me, he can and should charge whatever he wants. There are some real dip$hits porting saws these days and they charge prices that blow my mind. Scott has a ton of experience and the results speak for themselves. To even have the word Ripsaw in Scott's thread pretty lame...

 

[stihl livin]

I agree in part - however it Has to be a “gainful” endeavor otherwise what’s the sense of doing it? Thousands invested in tooling , knowledge gleaned thru years of the school of hard knocks etc - You have to make something just to cover the sandpaper, bits and inserts etc etc …

The time spent finding the best out come of each saw gets the word out and the money comes in from that. In the end if you don’t like Scott’s work philosophy move on. Scott has built some of the best saws and his name is known around the world.

 

[pavel408]

How about we just let Scott post his content here in a handy central location.

@Admin/Moderator: Is it possible to remove all the fabulous garbage posts about porting prices etc. from this thread and keep it only for TM videos and related technical discussion?

 

[hacskaroly]

however it Has to be a “gainful” endeavor otherwise what’s the sense of doing it? Thousands invested in tooling , knowledge gleaned thru years of the school of hard knocks etc - You have to make something just to cover the sandpaper, bits and inserts etc etc …

I guess "gainful" is all in how you define it...I work on a lot of saws at my own cost, because I like to work on them, I like to learn about them and help people out, if someone insists on paying or wants to cover parts we work it out. Some people do this because they enjoy it, others make some money at it and others make a lot more money at it...doesn't mean one is right and the other is wrong or one is a better option than another. I have learned to make my sandpaper and carb cleaner go farther and the Dollar Tree has some good prices on cleaning stuff - I make it work and I enjoy it.

 

[Fabulous]

Whoa gents , let’s not get carried away here … I was just giving my opinion here on what the market will bear and what prices some outfits charge - IF anything, tree monkey should charge more what with all the time and effort involved - looks like about 8hrs (or more) on this particular 038.

 

[59billy]

I agree in part - however it Has to be a “gainful” endeavor otherwise what’s the sense of doing it?

There's also the enjoyment of the process, learning, and maybe helping somebody out.

Two examples:

I bought a saw that @Stump Shot built and sold to another guy. It developed a problem that I determined couldn't be a build problem because the previous owner had run it quite a bit. Steve offered to fix it for free, partly because he's a nice guy, but also because he wanted to understand what went wrong. (I think I broke it. He disagrees.)

It's not always about profit and loss.

For my own learning, I'm rebuilding a husky 353. When it's all said and done, I'll have about $600 (not counting new tools!) in a saw that would probably bring $300.

Maybe I'm a big dummy, but I'm having fun and learning, and maybe I can help the next big dummy who wants to build a saw.

 

[hacskaroly]

For my own learning, I'm rebuilding a husky 353. When it's all said and done, I'll have about $600 (not counting new tools!) in a saw that would probably bring $300.

Maybe I'm a big dummy, but I'm having fun and learning, and maybe I can help the next big dummy who wants to build a saw.

Don't get those of us started who have rebuilt 2100s....but I agree, it was a really fun project I learned a lot on!!

 

[Sloughfoot]

Don't get those of us started who have rebuilt 2100s....but I agree, it was a really fun project I learned a lot on!!

My reward for spending countless $$$ and countless time building mine was making 5 whole cuts before a patched air leak reopened.

 

[tree monkey]

 

[singinwoodwackr]

I would love to see the main Husky designer chime in, lol. I would not be surprised if they designed these things NOT to ever be worked on by a porter. My question to the designer, “Son, what were you thinkin’? Hmm, there’s a line from a country song…
Never thought of removing a clutch like that. I just stop and make the needed tool and move on
Garage sale sockets make great removal tools.

 

[hacskaroly]

In my opinion the cylinder is slanted to help give the saw the lowest profile possible and squishing everything together. That is what I found when working on a 562. There is so little room in the carb compartment, I felt like I was doing surgery with the several hemostats I had going just to get everything connected and in place. I had not thought about the problems porters would have with the slant cylinder, but now that I see it, yeah does not make sense why they did it, no way to drop the cylinder without causing a headache with the intake and the exhaust!

And regarding dirty saws, when we would get saws in to be worked on, before they got shipped, I always blew off as much crap as possible and wiped it down, that way when it got to the mechanic he didn't have to fight the grime, just get to working! It was something he appreciated.

 

[huskihl]

In my opinion the cylinder is slanted to help give the saw the lowest profile possible and squishing everything together. That is what I found when working on a 562. There is so little room in the carb compartment, I felt like I was doing surgery with the several hemostats I had going just to get everything connected and in place. I had not thought about the problems porters would have with the slant cylinder, but now that I see it, yeah does not make sense why they did it, no way to drop the cylinder without causing a headache with the intake and the exhaust!

And regarding dirty saws, when we would get saws in to be worked on, before they got shipped, I always blew off as much crap as possible and wiped it down, that way when it got to the mechanic he didn't have to fight the grime, just get to working! It was something he appreciated.

There are ways. Just need to clearance the intake partition and slot the lower muffler bolt holes, same as all 5 series

 

[ZERO]

I bought a saw that @Stump Shot built and sold to another guy. It developed a problem that I determined couldn't be a build problem because the previous owner had run it quite a bit. Steve offered to fix it for free, partly because he's a nice guy, but also because he wanted to understand what went wrong. (I think I broke it. He disagrees.)

This is at the core of the OPE family.
Too many step outside and ...

Scott have a nice and relaxing Thanksgiving weekend and thanks for sharing all the great knowledge.

 

[Stump Shot]

Some thoughts, takeaways and questions answered...
For starters the 562XP was computer CAD designed to be powerful, lightweight and nimble in the hands of its user. Which led to the cylinder being tilted rearward and allowed for a better downward flow for the exhaust for increased efficiency. The longer muffler gives more room for the flame-front to work itself out instead of going splat at the end of the can.
One thing to note for folks just getting into 5 series repairs, for the ignition coil reinstallation the gap is not like the older series of Husqvarna of .3mm, instead the 5 series utilize a .2mm air gap on the coil to flywheel. Husqvarna offers gauges for both, or if you have a Stihl .2mm gauge that will work as well.
Another thing is that once you get the knack of working on one size of the series, you can work on all, as the design is familiar throughout the entire family of saws.
Personally speaking, I find it unnecessary to remove the coil, especially after I went digital for timing, I just remove to flywheel, which has to come off anyways and use the timing apparatus to turn the engine over instead. I also leave the air injection duct installed as well as the front handle, the spring can be removed with the aid of a wrench for the attachment nut. That's a time saver I learned from having to change out springs from saws.
As far as the question to what the stand offs are for on the cylinder bolts, I can only say after repairing and working on quite a pile of well used saws that the benefit is all the wood-boogers and gunk does not settle in the top of the screws and difficult cleaning is not necessary prior to removing them with your T-handle.
The dished piston is not to be worried about unless building a GTG saw for racing, then an old-style Mark I piston can be exchanged. For a work saw this will go unnoticed and be beneficial overall to the saws health. I tighten up the squish a bit more than the Mark I to compensate some when doing the machine work.
Compared to older saws of the same displacement, the 5 series have smaller diameter pistons thus reducing the need for quad uppers. Also, the caps can be removed with a 20 torx security wrench and be ported without using a right-angle tool. Which gives the benefit of making the flow nice and neat on the approach prior to exit.

 

[Fabulous]

There was an issue with the cooling and the slant - back cylinder was supposed to alleviate this issue … The spacers on the cylinder bolts are there for whatever reason - I agree with stump shot about the debris not accumulating on the bolts with this system. Many a stripped bolt head from trying to remove these bolts without first cleaning bolt head of debris/sawdust. You think you’ve got good purchase only to strip the heads because the tool isn’t deep enough. I’d like to see a adj carb version of this saw with a larger carb (570,575 ???) … IF feasible to do I’d say THAT carb, with porting and exhaust would make for a nice torque-y RIPPA !

 

[hacskaroly]

Another thing is that once you get the knack of working on one size of the series, you can work on all, as the design is familiar throughout the entire family of saws.

This is one thing I like that Husqvarna did, I can work on a 36 all the way up to a 2100 and they are basically the same, I was really surprised in the similarities between the 272 and the 2100.