The new 70cc ECHO saw

[Stump Shot]

Real close to the 572.

8 something with a 24

Was hoping that these would come in a bit under the 572 for the firewood cutters.

 

[BuxtonSaws]

Well I’m sorry not trying to attack and I apologize, didn’t realize the guy porting was on here lots of the stuff I’ve seen as of late advertised as porting is merely a base delete with lowers and intake ground for a 400$ bill. Didn’t mean to offend but you need to admit there is a ton of shady stuff on Facebook. The main entertainment of it is the outlandish claims that go on. But I will say I won’t believe the claim of the farmertec saws being the equivalent of an oem.

It's all good just felt like I needed to say somthing. There is lots of time vested in my work. I'm not claiming to be one of the best or near. But I definitely dont wing it.

 

[Piston Skirt]

Was hoping that these would come in a bit under the 572 for the firewood cutters.

It ain’t a firewood saw. Yet the price is still pushed under competition, because brand perception, y’know.

 

[Czed]

Was hoping that these would come in a bit under the 572 for the firewood cutters.

Hopefully it'll eventually be available through home depot online
The 620 is
And at very good prices on sale occasionally.
It was over 200.00 cheaper than the echo dealer had them for a couple times.

 

[Maintenance Chief]

Price point on a saw with the old metal toggle switch is a little disappointing? But that might change.
I was heavily into cars in my 20s mostly carburetored hot rods and muscle cars.
I worked on alot of carburetor repair and maintenance, anything from 1936 single pot to variable venturi predator carbs.
Most of the time it was simple maintenance and over haul of gaskets but in the event someone else was in the carb that could be different. I have done 1000s of carbs.
The Carter AFB 4 barrel was on of my favorite, 1964 Pontiac had an excellent model, Edelbrock bought Carter's design from Weber and then resold new models based on the older design.
There will always be knock offs of quality craftsmanship, some saying about the highest form of praise.....
But I stand by my knowledge of a" fool and his money being separated", milled metering blocks, shaved throttle plates , and ported jets were all language for loss of money and a ruined carburetor. The machinists who did this kind of work still took their time and used quality tools but non the less ruined a perfectly good carb.
Early 90s I got stonewalled several times by Edelbrock on casting flaws in the 1400 series carburetor not because they didn't care but because no one at the company could do anything about it, they out sourced all the work over seas and they couldn't do anything about it. They sure as heck didn't mind getting good money for them though.
Drilling Chinese rotors do not make them Porsche rotors even if you have the best machinery in house.

 

[Piston Skirt]

Price point on a saw with the old metal toggle switch is a little disappointing? But that might change.

I always wonder why that toggle switch triggers people so much? Especially knowing almost all ECHO’s have ignitions already pre-programmed for momentary switch for more than a decade...
Yet the same guys typically are the bighest opponents of solenoid carburettors.

 

[Maintenance Chief]

Reliant K car , Pontiac T1000, ford escort all solenoid carb cars , suspicion does arise.

 

[Piston Skirt]

Reliant K car , Pontiac T1000, ford escort all solenoid carb cars , suspicion does arise.

Well yes, there is a general group of “all those new computerized..” haters. Yet as I mentioned some of them don’t realize their “good old reliable toggle switch saw” has digital processor controlled ignition with separate maps for cold start, warm-up, soft rpm limiter and shutdown command duration. Oh, and they are very reliable too

 

[huskyboy]

Seeing as the 7310 “stole” the name from the dolmar 7310 (LOL), and is about the same price as one it better be a damn good saw... as the dolmar/makita 7310/7910 and 572 are some of my current favorites in the 5 cube size class for a logging saw. The echo has a lot of good things going for it by the looks of it... and I feel that it could potentially be a good saw. I definitely want to try one. The biggest thing the echo will have to surpass is brand perception, which it can do if it proves itself.

 

[lehman live edge slab]

It's all good just felt like I needed to say somthing. There is lots of time vested in my work. I'm not claiming to be one of the best or near. But I definitely dont wing it.

Your saw salesman friend definitely seems to like what he’s doing but I’m surprised he’s advertising a saw that’s not yet available with a port job you have not yet developed is all. I haven’t seen the cylinder inside but maybe there’s some design feature that will require a bit of time for a work around to get good performance. In that case the advertising ported version of this new saw to sell might be putting the cart in front of the horse.

 

[woodfarmer]

Buxton, I love how these guys put their pecker back in their pants as soon as they realize your a member here. Good for you, if you do good work and stand behind it then your free to charge whatever you want.

 

[Czed]

Metal toggle switches are a an issue now?
Hardly any of my old saws have switches that works

 

[lehman live edge slab]

Yes it is a free market and get what you can do good work and stand behind it. Now we know someone is actually porting these saws and it’s not just a dremel job without timing and machine work. Way to much of that going on and passed off as ported.

 

[Stump Shot]

It ain’t a firewood saw. Yet the price is still pushed under competition, because brand perception, y’know.

I stand corrected. Let me refine my sentiments a tad further for the overly intellectual implication rejector.

"....a saw for the firewood cutter looking to step up and get themselves into a pro level saw."
(Well doggies and grannies....if that ain't a $5 half a sentence if I ever seen one right there)

At over $800 and change, that's not under the competition enough for anyone to bother with.

Any saw that's used for cutting firewood, is a firewood saw, even if it was not designed for such use, y'know.

 

[BuxtonSaws]

Your saw salesman friend definitely seems to like what he’s doing but I’m surprised he’s advertising a saw that’s not yet available with a port job you have not yet developed is all. I haven’t seen the cylinder inside but maybe there’s some design feature that will require a bit of time for a work around to get good performance. In that case the advertising ported version of this new saw to sell might be putting the cart in front of the horse.

We will see I have a couple on the way for RD. I am hoping to have in a couple weeks. I'm pretty confident I will find gains. But if we do not the people will be righted. He has confidence in me and dont question how I port saws. So I have confidence in him when it comes to customer service and sales of the work. People wont be ripped off by ill performing port work. They would just be refunded.. you only get one name.. I'm not willing to trash mine over a few hundred bucks. That's not what I'm about.

 

[jacob j.]

Buxton, I love how these guys put their pecker back in their pants as soon as they realize your a member here. Good for you, if you do good work and stand behind it then your free to charge whatever you want.

So one guy apologizes and suddenly everyone is putting their dick back in their pants? I don't think so. There's a lot of BS in the Facebook chainsaw groups/scene. There's also a lot of misinformation. People buy into it because they don't know any better. I've seen a lot of "builders" come and go in the last 20 years.

We will see I have a couple on the way for RD. I am hoping to have in a couple weeks. I'm pretty confident I will find gains. But if we do not the people will be righted. He has confidence in me and dont question how I port saws. So I have confidence in him when it comes to customer service and sales of the work. People wont be ripped off by ill performing port work. They would just be refunded.. you only get one name.. I'm not willing to trash mine over a few hundred bucks. That's not what I'm about.

Are you the guy that's selling a Bark Box cover and a Max-Flow kit for $217? Have you compared your machines to machines from other established builders that have competed their saws at GTGs?

 

[Piston Skirt]

I stand corrected. Let me refine my sentiments

My appologies if I sounded that harsh. I’m not english native so sometimes there are things between the lines that I didn’t intend to write.

As for 800$ it’s still simple - engineering and preparing for mass production a decent and globally compliant 70cc saw costs too much for the actual market potential and size.
Shaving costs normally involve huge sacrifices for small savings.

 

[BuxtonSaws]

So one guy apologizes and suddenly everyone is putting their dick back in their pants? I don't think so. There's a lot of BS in the Facebook chainsaw groups/scene. There's also a lot of misinformation. People buy into it because they don't know any better. I've seen a lot of "builders" come and go in the last 20 years.



Are you the guy that's selling a Bark Box cover and a Max-Flow kit for $217? Have you compared your machines to machines from other established builders that have competed their saws at GTGs?

I do not personally sell anything. I sell port work. JSS is a business partner the port work he sells is done here. The saws are on par. I have a few demo saws people can actually run before they buy port work. If you are intresting in running one send me a message. I have nothing to hide. I have no unsatisfied customers. If the day comes I do they will be took care of. I'm pretty open about everything I do. I'm just making some money doing somthing I enjoy. I dont claim to be the best or anywhere near but the saws run plenty respectable when they leave my shop. I'm not out to rip people off. So I spoke up.... I'm not trying to start a argument... If you disagree... that's fine... but I'm not one of the guys dremeling saws and charging premium prices. So I dont like being paired with them. I have done nothing to be put in that category.

 

[Stump Shot]

My appologies if I sounded that harsh. I’m not english native so sometimes there are things between the lines that I didn’t intend to write.

As for 800$ it’s still simple - engineering and preparing for mass production a decent and globally compliant 70cc saw costs too much for the actual market potential and size.
Shaving costs normally involve huge sacrifices for small savings.

That's okay, us Americans are not so hot at proper English either.

 

[Czed]

I just want a stock damn saw
I might be happy with it stock
And then later if needed and
Good recipes are established
I may get one ported
Too early in the game to say.