Sometimes you Lose...

[Red97]

Failed sleeve attempt.



Went in crooked and caught lower transfer port. That was all she wrote.

Anyone else?

 

[spencerpaving]

I feel ya...if I posted all my fails it would be pages long...

 

[Stevetheboatguy]

You heating the cyl?

Not a expert but I'll give you a few tricks I've learned. I'm sure you know them already

Heat.... 425-450 on the cyl. Brought up slowly. The sleeve can be painted but be ready for it to possibly burn off if it doesn't slide right in. The outside of the sleeve can be slightly rounded but if you bevel it..... On a thin sleeve Air/carbon will eventually cause it to swell/distort slightly and you may get a tight spot. It's kinda a one shot deal using heat. So sometimes a premade guide is good idea. And after you get it in you want it to cool slowwwww. If you paint the outside of the sleeve you want it tacky and not fully cured. Henc the possibly of fire. But the paint will act as a lube for install and a locking compound once it's cured. We've done the both ways with and without. 6 vs half doz on opinions what is better.


Steven


Edit: Don't think of it as a loss. Just another learning experience in the school of hard knocks


Edit#2 : if you have a way to bore the sleeve. You can order one with a extra thick wall and bore the id to your liking. Instead of it being a B sleeve (+.020) request one that is the od you need but much smaller on the id. Make it less fragile on the install. Food for thought anyway.

 

[Duane(Pa)]

I feel ya...if I posted all my fails it would be pages long...

Hey man!

 

[davidwyby]

…green loctite?

 

[av8or3]

This is very interesting.

 

[Red97]

You heating the cyl?

Not a expert but I'll give you a few tricks I've learned. I'm sure you know them already

Heat.... 425-450 on the cyl. Brought up slowly. The sleeve can be painted but be ready for it to possibly burn off if it doesn't slide right in. The outside of the sleeve can be slightly rounded but if you bevel it..... On a thin sleeve Air/carbon will eventually cause it to swell/distort slightly and you may get a tight spot. It's kinda a one shot deal using heat. So sometimes a premade guide is good idea. And after you get it in you want it to cool slowwwww. If you paint the outside of the sleeve you want it tacky and not fully cured. Henc the possibly of fire. But the paint will act as a lube for install and a locking compound once it's cured. We've done the both ways with and without. 6 vs half doz on opinions what is better.


Steven


Edit: Don't think of it as a loss. Just another learning experience in the school of hard knocks


Edit#2 : if you have a way to bore the sleeve. You can order one with a extra thick wall and bore the id to your liking. Instead of it being a B sleeve (+.020) request one that is the od you need but much smaller on the id. Make it less fragile on the install. Food for thought anyway.

Awesome tips, thank you.

I was 450* on the jug and froze the sleeve I think I'll try heat only this time. Will also bevel the ports some.

I should have had a ton of clearance, I think thst is where the problems came from. Enough room to get way off track, then chipped the liner trying to correct it. After that it was all over lol.

Have stuff here for 3 more sleeves and a few more cylinders.

 

[Red97]

…green loctite?

On dry sleeves some say use nothing. As the layer of loctite could effect heat dissipation.

 

[Red97]

Also found the outside dimensions of a cast in Mac sleeve...

 

[Red97]

Much better. Now final bore/hone then layout the ports.
View attachment 343773

 

[farminkarman]

Much better. Now final bore/hone then layout the ports.
View attachment 343773

Pretty cool project there Joe. I don't know if it's just my computer, but I can't open the attachment on this post.

 

[davidwyby]

Neever

 

[Red97]

Here is the pic

 

[farminkarman]

View attachment 343776
Here is the pic

Is this a custom made big bore job?

 

[Red97]

Is this a custom made big bore job?

Yes,

+4mm bore size + the sleeve. May not hold up, but figure it's worth a try.

 

[davidwyby]

As a guy who runs a machine and welding shop I’m impressed. That’s serious hotrodding. Kudos.

 

[Stevetheboatguy]

Yes,

+4mm bore size + the sleeve. May not hold up, but figure it's worth a try.

You going to use the factory hardware or stud and girdle the jug?



Steven

 

[Red97]

You going to use the factory hardware or stud and girdle the jug?



Steven

Gonna try factory hardware for now...

 

[Mastermind]

Way cool stuff....way way cool.

 

[Maintenance Chief]

@Vinnywv