Duke's saw chain

[lehman live edge slab]

You use it when it’s appropriate every situation has different needs. With that said I’m not a production logger but I am an arborist. I can’t recall ever NEEDING to use that method. But us arborists go at stuff differently because anyone that calls themselves an arborist should be able to just walk on up any tree no different then they walk up stairs. So we can always reduce foliage if needed so we can drop large stems in tight spots or we just peace out the entire tree.

Just wondering because of all the tree guys I repair saws for and all the loggers in my family I’ve never heard them ever describe using a cut like this, but I have seen it on YouTube and wondered if it’s just for content or what. Looked like a bunch of extra cuts for very little if any gain and actually bigger chance of something going wrong and some new guy getting hurt or killed copying what they saw on YouTube. We also had a rope 3/4 the way up the tree and had an anchor and snatch block with a utv pulling on the tree at 90 degrees to be out of the path of fire.

 

[661joe]

You can just order from the website. It shows stock availability and sizes.

Everything says in stock and ready to ship. And then it says pre-order is that just a generic thing on your website? Looking at 50 drag link 3/8 low profile and 84 drag link 3/8.

 

[661joe]

Just wondering because of all the tree guys I repair saws for and all the loggers in my family I’ve never heard them ever describe using a cut like this, but I have seen it on YouTube and wondered if it’s just for content or what. Looked like a bunch of extra cuts for very little if any gain and actually bigger chance of something going wrong and some new guy getting hurt or killed copying what they saw on YouTube. We also had a rope 3/4 the way up the tree and had an anchor and snatch block with a utv pulling on the tree at 90 degrees to be out of the path of fire.

If you don’t know about it, and you don’t practice it it’s best to stay away from it. But there’s only one way to learn. Believe it or not there are dozens and dozens of different ways to cut off of a stump it’s actually amazing how many people don’t even understand the difference between face cut up versus face cut down

 

[jakethesnake]

If you don’t know about it, and you don’t practice it it’s best to stay away from it. But there’s only one way to learn. Believe it or not there are dozens and dozens of different ways to cut off of a stump it’s actually amazing how many people don’t even understand the difference between face cut up versus face cut down

I don’t fully understand the difference there myself. I’ve used both.

 

[661joe]

I don’t fully understand the difference there myself. I’ve used both.

Look at how the log falls off the stump. Face cut up the log pivots at the notch and then holds until it breaks the wood fibers and typically nose dives the log your dropping. With the face on the bottom it pivots at the notch breaks the wood fibers and then slides DOWN the stump to the ground typically making it land flatter less nose dive along with less bounce. Also pushes the log out some more away from the stump. It will also affect in some wood species how it pulls fibers. Production hand logging a good faller knows how to hardly ever pull fiber it happens to everyone but your notch makes allot of difference along with the saw your running speed and power along with sharp chains make for more productivity and better quality logs

 

[jakethesnake]

Look at how the log falls off the stump. Face cut up the log pivots at the notch and then holds until it breaks the wood fibers and typically nose dives the log your dropping. With the face on the bottom it pivots at the notch breaks the wood fibers and then slides DOWN the stump to the ground typically making it land flatter less nose dive along with less bounce. Also pushes the log out some more away from the stump. It will also affect in some wood species how it pulls fibers. Production hand logging a good faller knows how to hardly ever pull fiber it happens to everyone but your notch makes allot of difference along with the saw your running speed and power along with sharp chains make for more productivity and better quality logs

Makes perfect sense. Guy on AS taught me some pretty good shtuff on depth of face cuts as well years ago. Deeper you go on a face cut the more it moves the leverage point if you’re wedging I’ve never sold logs but I grasp exactly what you’re telling me. I typically co face cut down But I have went opposite for simple reasons like chain isn’t 100 percent where I’d like it to be (dull) . Kinda a bish pulling up on that cut if chain needs attention

 

[661joe]

Makes perfect sense. Guy on AS taught me some pretty good shtuff on depth of face cuts as well years ago. Deeper you go on a face cut the more it moves the leverage point if you’re wedging I’ve never sold logs but I grasp exactly what you’re telling me. I typically co face cut down But I have went opposite for simple reasons like chain isn’t 100 percent where I’d like it to be (dull) . Kinda a bish pulling up on that cut if chain needs attention

Yeah I hear ya. If conditions allow make your flat cut then go to the other side of the tree and dog in on your up cut. If you do the flat top cut first then set your angle and dog in on the bottom cut you really don’t even have to move the saw off the tree just spin it and let her eat

 

[two4spooky]

I and others have kind of de-railed this post, "DUKE's Saw Chain". Thankfully other's have carried the side rail further off the tracks than myself.

Back to DUKE's saw chain.

I have used several of Duke's chain in three pack's of different DL counts, 3/8" plus a few .325" and a single 3-pack of 3/8" LP. Pleased with chain performance vs cost in all cases. Happy enough with the quality I have ended up with more than a half dozen of Duke's 3-pack's of chain. Based on my current experience I bought two 100' reels of chain. One full comp full chisel and a second full skip full chisel, both 3/8". Packaging of 100' reels definitely could be better, a bit disappointed here regarding spools coming apart in shipping. I have never had to spool out 60' or 70' foot of chain on the floor to unbind chain. Packaging of the reels sucks but the chain has so far proven to be good. Good value for price. Pleased with the product.

All experience is regarding the original "red label" chain. No experience with the newer "blue label" version

 

[Duke Thieroff]

Everything says in stock and ready to ship. And then it says pre-order is that just a generic thing on your website? Looking at 50 drag link 3/8 low profile and 84 drag link 3/8.

If it's marked preorder I'm waiting on it to ship.

If it doesn't say preorder it'll ship this week.

In between deliveries.

 

[Duke Thieroff]

I and others have kind of de-railed this post, "DUKE's Saw Chain". Thankfully other's have carried the side rail further off the tracks than myself.

Back to DUKE's saw chain.

I have used several of Duke's chain in three pack's of different DL counts, 3/8" plus a few .325" and a single 3-pack of 3/8" LP. Pleased with chain performance vs cost in all cases. Happy enough with the quality I have ended up with more than a half dozen of Duke's 3-pack's of chain. Based on my current experience I bought two 100' reels of chain. One full comp full chisel and a second full skip full chisel, both 3/8". Packaging of 100' reels definitely could be better, a bit disappointed here regarding spools coming apart in shipping. I have never had to spool out 60' or 70' foot of chain on the floor to unbind chain. Packaging of the reels sucks but the chain has so far proven to be good. Good value for price. Pleased with the product.

All experience is regarding the original "red label" chain. No experience with the newer "blue label" version

Did we pack it in another box or just the with box with the reel inside?

Can you show me what happened? We can improve it in the future, for sure.

 

[lehman live edge slab]

Did we pack it in another box or just the with box with the reel inside?

Can you show me what happened? We can improve it in the future, for sure.

The 50’ was a reel in a box with a box around it and was packed nicely. They zip tied the loose end link back to the roll so it couldn’t unwrap

 

[MG porting]

Look at how the log falls off the stump. Face cut up the log pivots at the notch and then holds until it breaks the wood fibers and typically nose dives the log your dropping. With the face on the bottom it pivots at the notch breaks the wood fibers and then slides DOWN the stump to the ground typically making it land flatter less nose dive along with less bounce. Also pushes the log out some more away from the stump. It will also affect in some wood species how it pulls fibers. Production hand logging a good faller knows how to hardly ever pull fiber it happens to everyone but your notch makes allot of difference along with the saw your running speed and power along with sharp chains make for more productivity and better quality logs

I like making the big alders smack the ground only because I can't stand the damn things.

 

[two4spooky]

Did we pack it in another box or just the with box with the reel inside?

Can you show me what happened? We can improve it in the future, for sure.

I remember one reel was part of a larger order, big box. Basically the spool ended up shaped like a "Z" instead of expected "I●I" If that makes sense. Spool collapsed and let the chain wrap loosen and tangle.

I will look tonight to see if one has a shipping label on the box.

 

[two4spooky]

Did we pack it in another box or just the with box with the reel inside?

Can you show me what happened? We can improve it in the future, for sure.

I'm thinking both 100' reels came as part of larger orders as no shipping label on either box. Yes, same issue with spools collapsing on both reels.
I have not had this issue with other brands of 100' reels using same shipper. Card board spool could use improvement

I still like your original chain. Really like the way it holds it's length without stretching, little chain adjustment. Cutters hold an edge well. Good value in my opinion for my non-professional use. Would(will) buy more but for now I'm set chain wise. Hope the Blue version does as well for you

 

[WI_Hedgehog]

Yes, same issue with spools collapsing on both reels.
I have not had this issue with other brands of 100' reels using same shipper. Card board spool could use improvement.

I've had 3/8" STIHL spools arrive collapsed (probably dropped and landed flat). Like you said it's not fun to work through, but STIHL does include more boxes and tie straps than needed for making loops so there are extras for repairs.