Dang, For The Price Of Getting A Saw Ported, You Can Get One Of These

[afleetcommand]

Holzfforma g395 That Is.... A few video's. First Not mine but actually I've seen enough to believe it could be true.

 

[afleetcommand]

Mine yesterday

 

[Maintenance Chief]

I like messing around with my Holzfforma saws, and definitely am interested in picking up the G395 .
I watched that first video in complete confusion though? That fellow knows his saws and the 20" bar with skip on an 80cc saw is just baffling. It's like knee capping that saw and the self learning M-tronic probably registers that run as pizz revving! I mean thats a set up I'd run on a 028 .
When I first got a 32" for my 394xp I ran skip ,but it woul barely come out of 4 stroke even with an 8 pin sprocket! I got a full comp chain immediately after a few trial runs. That 500i must be trying to lean itself out to compensate for the lack of load.
Im not sure how to interpret that video.

 

[afleetcommand]

I like messing around with my Holzfforma saws, and definitely am interested in picking up the G395 .
I watched that first video in complete confusion though? That fellow knows his saws and the 20" bar with skip on an 80cc saw is just baffling. It's like knee capping that saw and the self learning M-tronic probably registers that run as pizz revving! I mean thats a set up I'd run on a 028 .
When I first got a 32" for my 394xp I ran skip ,but it woul barely come out of 4 stroke even with an 8 pin sprocket! I got a full comp chain immediately after a few trial runs. That 500i must be trying to lean itself out to compensate for the lack of load.
Im not sure how to interpret that video.

Exactly as you did. I will never understand the drive for skip when a saw actually has the power to pull a full comp chain. But before you just completely dismiss out of hand his comments, his next video goes into a little more detail. He's a part of a pro logging outfit, and his litany on saws goes back more than twenty years. I try to go into this on the video's, but everyone has a different metric.

 

[Wolverine]

You could, but you are supporting communist china and making them "great". Why would you want to?

 

[afleetcommand]

Slippery slope. If the Blue saws were a major contributor to that concept I might even entertain the concept. Pales as compared to the consumer electronics and things like Walmart. Lowes and most of the brand name tools there as well. SO hey products are available, like the Cobalt brand, Harbor freight and most of the rest made in China to maintain your resolute premise means not buying any of them. I don't go there , just live life with as little "politics" as possible. Tuesday is coming fast, that is where the change in policy to incent or not companies who source overseas get the guide lines and parameters from. Put your angst there please if you are convicted, and bring ALL your family and friends. USUALLY the true angst would not be political if this was a level playing field, but from the major brands who have to play to a different set of rules. That's where my angst would be as well. Again...Tuesday. AND your spending habits. But to be consistent takes guts and conviction. I'm simply not going there. I'll keep my observations about the saws. Leave the politics to the smarter than me crowd.

 

[Maintenance Chief]

Im gonna explain something very controversial about buying communist goods.
Communism is based on shared communal efforts and non ownership based on building what was said to be a utopian society where everyone got what they needed. ( or 60 million dead)This is exactly why it grenades every 100yrs ,because starving hordes have nothing to lose.
Well along comes a market for stuff and money and although many of us believe that the wages of communist society are laughable, they are at least something and now said worker has capital and some stuff to have , possibly even entrainment.
We have essentially polluted the water ( or rather the pink koolaid) . There's no going back now and China knows it, and it's got them terrified. Recently they have tried to curtail the democratic money making it down to the pitiful workers but thats the hook .
We don't have to defeat China, they have already screwed themselves and if they try to reel it in they know that all the party rulers will end up hanging from lamp posts . Really politically we've won buy selling ourselves and the wonderful open market, natural desire will do the rest.

 

[fdhamlin]

When I bought my Stihl it was on the dealers shelf and I needed saw.
Didn't know it was Chinese until much later, but there it was on the tag "Made in China".
So I really don't see the point of all this BS!

 

[afleetcommand]

Remember this movie? ( You Old Timers )

THIS little run down memory lane is so "rich" relative to this conversation. Funny what drives a saw purchases; Image, What the "Guys" Think, ( Performance too) AND Like the "Deera", Does a Tree ( Or log buyer ) Care What Color The Saw Was That Cut It Down?

 

[whitesnake]

Remember this movie? ( You Old Timers )

THIS little run down memory lane is so "rich" relative to this conversation. Funny what drives a saw purchases; Image, What the "Guys" Think, ( Performance too) AND Like the "Deera", Does a Tree ( Or log buyer ) Care What Color The Saw Was That Cut It Down?

Very true. Lots of people could do all they’re cutting with a ms250. Or go real big and get a Timberwolf!! Haha, but we enjoy it and it’s a bit of a hobby even if they’re tools for work. So we like to have fun and play. I’ve cared much less what people think over the years. I’ve got some harbor freight ratchets in my box. Some of them take more abuse than the tool trucks brands.

 

[00wyk]

You could, but you are supporting communist china and making them "great". Why would you want to?

So which saws are made by American companies? I forget.

I would ask you to flip your keyboard over, but it would actually be more difficult to find something made in the USA in your house, truck, car, work than made in China. Even if we all only bought our saws from Holzforma, it would pale in comparison to what we already have in our lives, even here in Europe. And we'll ignore the fact people have German, Japanese, and Swedish manufactured saws proudly in their possession, I guess. I mean, those guys are socialists by comparison to the US, so maybe they are the enemy as well nowadays, I dunno.

Still, we get your point. But that horse left the stable with Nixon. Maybe McArthur was right, and no one listened. Well, dropping healthy amounts of nuclear bombs on Russia and China was a big pill to swallow then.

Still, what does it even mean to be 'Made in the USA' ?

@afleetcommand I was considering getting me a G366 since I have a factory 361 carb sitting here in front of me. Just for a garden saw with mild porting and muffler gutting(why do those come with baffles from China?!).

 

[00wyk]

Remember this movie? ( You Old Timers )

THIS little run down memory lane is so "rich" relative to this conversation. Funny what drives a saw purchases; Image, What the "Guys" Think, ( Performance too) AND Like the "Deera", Does a Tree ( Or log buyer ) Care What Color The Saw Was That Cut It Down?

I would be hunting something completely different if I had Marissa Tomei on my bed looking like that. Hrm... wonder if my Irish wife would get suspicious if I asked her to try that accent out...

 

[afleetcommand]

@afleetcommand I was considering getting me a G366 since I have a factory 361 carb sitting here in front of me. Just for a garden saw with mild porting and muffler gutting(why do those come with baffles from China?!).[/QUOTE]

had a tough time getting those to work, but once I did they were/are a nice little saw. On mine I had to pull the cylinder and get a paper gasket & 1184 to seal up the base gaskets, my fuel line was malformed, and the tank vent...didn't. So once I got the cylinder to seal up, a OEM fuel line and modified the tank vent, they run pretty good. BUT the g5800 " Joncutters" came one of the box ready to run and the two I have put into service for long term testing still are going strong. I would recommend them over the g366

 

[00wyk]

@afleetcommand I was considering getting me a G366 since I have a factory 361 carb sitting here in front of me. Just for a garden saw with mild porting and muffler gutting(why do those come with baffles from China?!).

had a tough time getting those to wrok, but once I did they were/are a nice little saw. On mine I had to pull the cylinder and get a paper gasket & 1184 to seal up the base gaskets, my fuel line was malformed, and the tank vent...didn't. So once I got the cylinder to seal up, a OEM fuel line and modified the tank vent, they run pretty good. BUT the g5800 " Joncutters" came one of the box ready to run and the two I have put into service for long term testing still are going strong. I would recommend them over the g366

Thanks, bud. Are those Zenoah clones?
I do think I would get that 366 if it takes standard stihl vents.
Everything else I can mod to work. It's mostly gonna be a garden shed/truck/tractor saw. A life I really don't wanna put my other saws through.

 

[kneedeepinsaws]

Exactly as you did. I will never understand the drive for skip when a saw actually has the power to pull a full comp chain. But before you just completely dismiss out of hand his comments, his next video goes into a little more detail. He's a part of a pro logging outfit, and his litany on saws goes back more than twenty years. I try to go into this on the video's, but everyone has a different metric.

Less sharpening

 

[00wyk]

Less sharpening

When I was working in the Willamina area of Oregon, the local saw shop only had full skip square chain or ripping chain. I suspect one of the reasons for this was to make the loggers bring the chain to him for sharpening. He had loops all over the place waiting to be sharpened.
Even the hardwoods in the area, with the possible exception of some oaks, was not as hard as they are here in the UK and Ireland.
We actually get less rain in the UK and Ireland than in parts of Oregon and Washington. We just spread it out better.
So most saws, even like 50cc saws, had rather long bars. Longer bars also give you more margin of safety when bucking, limbing, felling.
And it sure as hell saves yer back when limbing or bucking as well.
Man I miss living in Oregon sometimes.

I think what a lot of woodsmen in Europe forget is the US often logs in fairly wild areas. And often on mountainsides. The terrain is rough, the growth is rough. You rarely get to log a nice manicured, culled plantation or farming area like they often do in Europe. There were times when I was timber cruising in Washington that I was considering replacing my axe with a machete to go about my business. Having that extra reach is essential stateside.
The fast snedding they do in Europe is impossible to do in most logging situations stateside. You would just end up falling down a hole half the time, tripping over limbs the rest of the time.

This is what I mainly saw in the UK and Ireland when felling. Just gorgeous farmed, often flat, landscapes. I even did a few culls to keep them manicured as well:

Now we had to stack our own timber by our hands if we could. So it was not easy work.

Compare this to an area I was timber cruising in Washington for a potential Phillinus Wareii cull:

That's Nathan, BTW. He's mostly on the other forum.

 

[Sierra_rider]

Exactly as you did. I will never understand the drive for skip when a saw actually has the power to pull a full comp chain. But before you just completely dismiss out of hand his comments, his next video goes into a little more detail. He's a part of a pro logging outfit, and his litany on saws goes back more than twenty years. I try to go into this on the video's, but everyone has a different metric.

Yeah, I don't understand skip on short bars...but I do see it's merits on mid to longer bars. It's not just the power of the saw to pull it, but also the void space in the chain IMO. I run a 28" bar on my 462(I'd consider that a mid-length bar.) I run skip on it, partly because the kerf can load up with chips quickly when buried in a pitchy, fibrous wood like pine or fir. I could ream the cut more, but I'd rather just run skip.

 

[Maintenance Chief]

If I run skip on a bar shorter than 28" I like an 8 pin or .404 skip.

 

[00wyk]

@afleetcommand I was considering getting me a G366 since I have a factory 361 carb sitting here in front of me. Just for a garden saw with mild porting and muffler gutting(why do those come with baffles from China?!).

had a tough time getting those to wrok, but once I did they were/are a nice little saw. On mine I had to pull the cylinder and get a paper gasket & 1184 to seal up the base gaskets, my fuel line was malformed, and the tank vent...didn't. So once I got the cylinder to seal up, a OEM fuel line and modified the tank vent, they run pretty good. BUT the g5800 " Joncutters" came one of the box ready to run and the two I have put into service for long term testing still are going strong. I would recommend them over the g366

Are they aluminum or magnesium chassis?

 

[afleetcommand]

Are they aluminum or magnesium chassis?

Both metal case saws. I do have to say, when I DID finally get the g366 / ms361 kit saw's sorted they were a LOT more saw than the g5800's, SO if u have the patience and skills....