Clean & Sober

[wildroamer]

True dat.

 

[Bmezz88]

It's tough for a convict. Think about the cost of rent, utilities, a car, insurance, etc. Then think about what sort of job an ex-con is gonna get. Even if a person pays their debt by doing their time, they still ain't got much of a chance to make a living when they get out.

It's too easy to just slip back into giving up and getting high.

This is so true brother, I fell victim to the jail system 4 times before I woke up and realized what I was doing to my life, my family's lives, and everybody around me lives. Im just so happy I didn't burn every bridge there was and I had people that where willing to help me get back up on my feet. I was so selfish. Today I am forever grateful for what I have. Today I am actually wearing my "big boy" pants and doing what I should have been doing all along.

 

[Mastermind]

This is so true brother, I fell victim to the jail system 4 times before I woke up and realized what I was doing to my life, my family's lives, and everybody around me lives. Im just so happy I didn't burn every bridge there was and I had people that where willing to help me get back up on my feet. I was so selfish. Today I am forever grateful for what I have. Today I am actually wearing my "big boy" pants and doing what I should have been doing all along.

I'm glad to know that there are people that make it. One of my nephews is getting out soon. I'm afraid he ain't gonna be willing to wear his man pants. I expect him to end up back in just like the last few times.

Good luck in all things my friend.

 

[wildroamer]

Overcoming the Scarlet letter "F" in a job/career search is a near impossibility for many, if not most. In my opinion it pretty much forces self-employment upon people, which has its pluses and minuses.

 

[T.Roller]

This thread makes me wanna beer lol

 

[exSW]

Overcoming the Scarlet letter "F" in a job/career search is a near impossibility for many, if not most. In my opinion it pretty much forces self-employment upon people, which has its pluses and minuses.

Yep,you'd be surprised how many businesspeople have a record way back.

 

[Mastermind]

Overcoming the Scarlet letter "F" in a job/career search is a near impossibility for many, if not most. In my opinion it pretty much forces self-employment upon people, which has its pluses and minuses.

I've been self-employed my whole life really. I've had a few "regular" jobs.......but very few.

 

[nickw]

Well @Mastermind since you asked, I'm one of the one's too many, and twelve ain't enough crowd. New Year's eve this year I quietly passed 30 years without alcohol of any sort. Never went to any meetings and haven't ever really counted the years, just quit. I knew it was possible because 43 years ago my brother did the same thing. I mentioned the 30 year anniversary to my wife but that was it. Our two daughters were 13 years apart and the younger had a very different dad that the older one. Younger one was about 7 months old when I quit. I was a good dad to the younger one and am a tremendous grandfather to their kids. The older one passed away so I can no longer apologize, but I am truly sorry for being so sorry.

 

[Mastermind]

Well @Mastermind since you asked, I'm one of the one's too many, and twelve ain't enough crowd. New Year's eve this year I quietly passed 30 years without alcohol of any sort. Never went to any meetings and haven't ever really counted the years, just quit. I knew it was possible because 43 years ago my brother did the same thing. I mentioned the 30 year anniversary to my wife but that was it. Our two daughters were 13 years apart and the younger had a very different dad that the older one. Younger one was about 7 months old when I quit. I was a good dad to the younger one and am a tremendous grandfather to their kids. The older one passed away so I can no longer apologize, but I am truly sorry for being so sorry.

Thank you for sharing with us Nick. It's important that we share some of our stories with others. There are a lot of people out there that don't think it's possible to stop using. I was once one of those people. I had to see it for myself. I had to get to know others that were like me, but laid it down and found a new way to live.

 

[nickw]

Thank you for sharing with us Nick. It's important that we share some of our stories with others. There are a lot of people out there that don't think it's possible to stop using. I was once one of those people. I had to see it for myself. I had to get to know others that were like me, but laid it down and found a new way to live.

My advantage was a big strong family. Beer drinking was a part of my heritage but support and belief in each other was always there. When people said you can't just quit I knew they were wrong, I'd seen it done. Somewhere around 10 years after quitting I went to an AA meeting with my daughter for her problem. That's when I found out I wasn't a recovered or recovering alcoholic, I was a dry drunk because I hadn't taken their course. I was okay with that, I was sober and they wanted to be, I can live with that.

 

[Mastermind]

I was a dry drunk because I hadn't taken their course.

Well.......I tend to disagree.

A dry drunk is someone that is only not drinking because they are being forced to quit and would really rather be drunk. At least that's how I see it.

Now......"their course" is the steps.

I've seen people work those steps......and talk that talk that were dry drunks in every sense of the term.

The steps are built around spiritual principles. Each step teaches us more principles.......but it's up to us to truly embrace those principles and use them in our lives. We can do that same thing without ever attending a meeting.......

 

[nickw]

Well.......I tend to disagree.

A dry drunk is someone that is only not drinking because they are being forced to quit and would really rather be drunk. At least that's how I see it.

Now......"their course" is the steps.

I've seen people work those steps......and talk that talk that were dry drunks in every sense of the term.

The steps are built around spiritual principles. Each step teaches us more principles.......but it's up to us to truly embrace those principles and use them in our lives. We can do that same thing without ever attending a meeting.......

I honestly believe I have spiritual principles. I never looked into what dry drunk meant because I was okay with me. I quit when I got tired of looking at a drunk in the mirror. It's about the man in the mirror

 

[Mastermind]

I honestly believe I have spiritual principles. I never looked into what dry drunk meant because I was okay with me. I quit when I got tired of looking at a drunk in the mirror. It's about the man in the mirror

Having both done business with you, and met you in person, I know you have spiritual principles. Or.......as I sometimes call them, Principles of the Spirit.

 

[T.Roller]

I honestly believe I have spiritual principles. I never looked into what dry drunk meant because I was okay with me. I quit when I got tired of looking at a drunk in the mirror. It's about the man in the mirror

You're alright in my book Nick. That doesn't mean much but you're alright.

 

[Mastermind]

You're alright in my book Nick. That doesn't mean much but you're alright.

You have a book on us?

Damn. We're famous.

 

[T.Roller]

You have a book on us?

Damn. We're famous.

You.....not so much

 

[Mastermind]

You.....not so much

Wow......Just WOW.

 

[T.Roller]

Wow......Just WOW.

Love you

 

[stihl saws]

Love you

Now, I need a beer. Is this the Kardashians?

 

[exSW]

I've seen people Op work those steps......and talk that talk that were dry drunks in every sense of the term. .......

Said a mouthful there. A former friend of mine and employee of my Father drank a lot. Finally they threw a net over him and hauled him off to detox. 35 years,two wives,estranged from his family and most of his friends he's still sober and still an a$$hole. Like the t shirts say "Instant a#$%& ,just add alcohol". Sometimes you remove the alcohol and still have an a$$5"*(. Alcohol is most often the problem.But sometimes it's just a symptom.