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If you sent a saw to a guy to be ported and it came back slower than stock would you consider that a lie or theft?

Off of this topic completely Tom. We have enough to do without digging up stuff from years gone by.

Let it go.
 

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Had all this gone on behind the scenes Jason's next victim would be sending him a PM about a saw. Like it or not, I'm on a mission to keep anymore of our members from falling prey to his poor business practices.

I've made no posts on AS about this, although I wanted to. I was contacted by their mods and answered questions, and also invited Brad into that conversation.

On this site though, we will not hold talks about poor work and business ethics in private. Instead we will allow a jury of our peers to decide after all the details are available.

You can say that Jason has not had his say, but that would be untrue. His lies have been told over and over.

He is a victim in his mind, and has never taken any responsibility for his mistakes. Until he decides to hold himself accountable, there is nothing any of us can do to help him.

I agree, Jason Must hold himself accountable before anything can be helped.

My issue with all of this is how things get twisted by others, & the focus of the issue is lost.

I completely support being open with members: as long as the Unbiased & Absolute Truth is shared, & not Speculation & Accusations.
 

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Guess Ill be another *a-hole here this morning along with Deeter. What I am going to say will be of no shock to a few of you on here because Ive had this conversation with you. I "had" been in a group note with Deeter and Stratton and two othe fellas for a long time before any issues with Jason arose.

After some of the accusations were thrown around I started digging and contacting some of our members regarding what they knew. Alot of it was second hand knowledge but there had to truth in there somewhere.

I did remain in the note up until recently. I have told Stratton I do not believe him. I also told him I do believe he has lied to me. I will not call you a friend if you cannot be honest with me.

Im sure that not every piece of information posted either for or against Jason is 100% accurate but at this point Ive heard enough.

Im posting this in defence of Deeter. He was asked what he thought about this saw. He wrote what WE have been told. Not as fact, just as what has be relayed to us.
I to ra agree with you John. You called jason out on his lies. Others should do the same
 

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I agree, Jason Must hold himself accountable before anything can be helped.

My issue with all of this is how things get twisted by others, & the focus of the issue is lost.

I completely support being open with members: as long as the Unbiased & Absolute Truth is shared, & not Speculation & Accusations.

Just refer to page one. That's where our new members will be when they arrive. The rest is all just banter.
 

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Had all this gone on behind the scenes Jason's next victim would be sending him a PM about a saw. Like it or not, I'm on a mission to keep anymore of our members from falling prey to his poor business practices.

I've made no posts on AS about this, although I wanted to. I was contacted by their mods and answered questions, and also invited Brad into that conversation.

On this site though, we will not hold talks about poor work and business ethics in private. Instead we will allow a jury of our peers to decide after all the details are available.

You can say that Jason has not had his say, but that would be untrue. His lies have been told over and over.

He is a victim in his mind, and has never taken any responsibility for his mistakes. Until he decides to hold himself accountable, there is nothing any of us can do to help him.
Your last paragraph...I think someone invented a word for this many, many moons ago. I'm gonna step out on a limb here and go with NARCISSIST...final answer!!
 

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Off of this topic completely Tom. We have enough to do without digging up stuff from years gone by.

Let it go.

Just asking a question. People seem to be quick to jump on some guys and give others a free pass for the same types of behavior. Varying degrees, perhaps.

When 2 years passes is JMS going to have fawked up this saw any less?
 

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Your last paragraph...I think someone invented a word for this many, many moons ago. I'm gonna step out on a limb here and go with NARCISSIST...final answer!!

More like boarder line personality disorder. My wife works in the mental health field and he would qualify for this one. I'm not joking in any way shape or form. I helped her study this *s-word.
 

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I agree, Jason Must hold himself accountable before anything can be helped.

My issue with all of this is how things get twisted by others, & the focus of the issue is lost.

I completely support being open with members: as long as the Unbiased & Absolute Truth is shared, & not Speculation & Accusations.

It's all about how people feel about him, personally. If they think he's a buddy, they'll tend to side with him, I think that's human nature. Being completely unbiased is a rarity.
 
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