560xp in the states ?

[sunfish]

I Really like the look & Feel of the 555! It feels smaller/lighter than a 562xp in the hand. A brand new 555 ported would be too cool.

 

[afleetcommand]

I'd call Spike60 and ask if he would put a new 562 topend on a new 555.

555 and 562 have the same casting. Its the tranfer caps.

 

[sunfish]

555 and 562 have the same casting. Its the tranfer caps.

I know, but last I checked you couldn't buy just the transfer caps.

 

[Spike60]

Is half a pound really worth all of this silliness, or is this just about getting a model that isn't available here?

Tell ya what I'd really like to have is the Jonsered large mount 2260 with 10mm bar studs so I can swap bars with my 930 Super. I think they call it the Jonsered 2262 Super 10.

 

[afleetcommand]

I know, but last I checked you couldn't buy just the transfer caps.

Buy a used one on ebay and steal the caps...cheaper than a new one.. Especially if you have a clean 555.

 

[afleetcommand]

Is half a pound really worth all of this silliness, or is this just about getting a model that isn't available here?

Tell ya what I'd really like to have is the Jonsered large mount 2260 with 10mm bar studs so I can swap bars with my 930 Super. I think they call it the Jonsered 2262 Super 10.

A full pound is....two pounds certainly is. And thats the difference between the UOMS with its light weight small mount bar and the stock 562 with a Husqvarna bar that sits in the pickup truck..yup that one. AND its fun to build those goofy things. The fun part being the most important part. Don't think I would spend a lot more money to build one when a 2260 is still a possibility....and really what the difference between a 2260 and a 560? Other than you won't be able to buy the red one new pretty soon, and you can't buy the orange one new here in the states unless copious amounts of dollars are spent to buy one over there to have it shipped over here.. Just build one if you want one. Thats my answer. Funny thing is all the 560 parts are available through the US dealer networks.

Of course leave it to Bob to want to mix 930's and 2260's...

 

[afleetcommand]

Here's Bob's dream saw.....
LOL! I can already hear the stories....."You know? I remember when.....I was selling them as a hedge trimmer...."

 

[sawmikaze]

Hell just buy a 2260 and call it good, simple solution, and it looks better in red and black anyways.

I talked to Bob about getting a recent production 2260 and I think he said 2015 was it..I already have a 2260 I just wanted another to stash before they go away permanately..so I figured I'd dig for a 560 since I always wanted one..doesn't look too promising

I guess I'll get a 562 to scratch my itch.

 

[BonScott46]

Is half a pound really worth all of this silliness, or is this just about getting a model that isn't available here?

Tell ya what I'd really like to have is the Jonsered large mount 2260 with 10mm bar studs so I can swap bars with my 930 Super. I think they call it the Jonsered 2262 Super 10.

I would pick a 562 over a 560 just because I have d025 mount bars and lots of 063 chain.

 

[BonScott46]

I talked to Bob about getting a recent production 2260 and I think he said 2015 was it..I already have a 2260 I just wanted another to stash before they go away permanately..so I figured I'd dig for a 560 since I always wanted one..doesn't look too promising

I guess I'll get a 562 to scratch my itch.

2015? Wow.

 

[Spike60]

So what, you guys think I was making that up about the 2262 Super 10? Little do you know that is a real model. Like the Husky 556 it is only sold in a couple countries. Only 2 i could find are Bolivia and Madagascar. I contacted a dealer in Bolivia, and it seemed as if he was willing to send me one, but he was arrested and thrown in jail for speaking to an American. I think the poor guy might have to face the firing squad.

OK, I'll be serious.......well maybe not in this thread too much, but.... The 18" lightweight .325 bar is a significant factor in the weight of the UOMS build. And shorter and lighter weight bars can be added to any saw to make them lighter and easier to use. The old man saws were fun to do as an idea to build a concept saw. And anytime we come up with another idea for a saw build we do run to the work bench pretty quick

Yesterday I cut a pick up load of wood with a Jonsered 820. 18" diameter hard maple that I had to rip in half so I could lift them and put them in the truck. Those HALF blocks weighed in the neighborhood of 50 pounds. The difference between a 12 pound saw and a 14 pound saw isn't exactly going to lighten the workload in a meaningful way. So, when I see pages of discussion about a pound of saw weight, I kind of don't get it. If you can't pick up the saw, how are you going to pick up the wood?

But for those who truly enjoy small details, I will include all of the weights published in the owners manuals.

555--12.3
556--12.8
560--12.5
560G--13
562--13
562G--13.5
2258--12.3
2260--12.3
2260WH--12.8
2262 Super 10--16

There, that ought to keep us going for another 10 pages or so.

 

[psuiewalsh]

Per the 572 thread now need to put it and the 565 in your weight table.

 

[BonScott46]

562 xpg weighs as much as my 10mm 044. Hooray 10mm 044!

 

[sunfish]

Is half a pound really worth all of this silliness, or is this just about getting a model that isn't available here?

Tell ya what I'd really like to have is the Jonsered large mount 2260 with 10mm bar studs so I can swap bars with my 930 Super. I think they call it the Jonsered 2262 Super 10.

Yes, a half pound is worth it. Plus low top & small bar & all orange.

 

[sunfish]

Buy a used one on ebay and steal the caps...cheaper than a new one.. Especially if you have a clean 555.

Yes, I imagine there are plenty of use 562 caps out there now. But the OP is looking to buy a new saw and probably doesn't want to wrench on it.

 

[Spike60]

Yes, a half pound is worth it. Plus low top & small bar & all orange.

Oh, I'm with you on the all orange Don. Paint that stays on the saw is always better.

Odd thing about this topic though is both the 560 and 562 are available in the UK. Will that happen here? Initially there was quite a debate about which one to bring into the US, and they were considering doing both at one point. There would have to be a business argument that the 560 would actually sell here, and I don't know that there is one outside of the hobby world. And it would need to be in the context that the 560 would generate additional sales, not just rob some sales from the 562. Seems as though the 560 is more suited to markets where 60cc is considered a big saw. The 562 is better suited to markets where 60cc is a mid range saw. Truth is a half pound isn't going to carry enough weight, (get it? ), to justify another model.

In both cases though it is important from a marketing perspective that the saw shares a bar mount with other saws that 560/562 buyers are likely to own. Small mount in 560 markets and large mount in 562 markets makes sense. The ability to share bars with 372/576 size saws is a good idea for the 562 as most 562 pro buyers would not want a saw that requires different bars. Again, that same logic applies to 560 markets where the K095 mount is more common.

The other factor they see are the limited sales of the 555 and the Jonsered models. There is nothing there that demonstrates a significant desire on anyones part for a slightly lighter small mount version of the 562. Shame really as the 555 is one of the best kept secrets in the saw world. It really should sell way better than it does. I recall one person who has posted in this thread as touting the 555 as the BEST firewood saw there is on the market! Been a while since he has pulled his out of the retirement closet though. LOL

 

[afleetcommand]

Oh, I'm with you on the all orange Don. Paint that stays on the saw is always better.

Odd thing about this topic though is both the 560 and 562 are available in the UK. Will that happen here? Initially there was quite a debate about which one to bring into the US, and they were considering doing both at one point. There would have to be a business argument that the 560 would actually sell here, and I don't know that there is one outside of the hobby world. And it would need to be in the context that the 560 would generate additional sales, not just rob some sales from the 562. Seems as though the 560 is more suited to markets where 60cc is considered a big saw. The 562 is better suited to markets where 60cc is a mid range saw. Truth is a half pound isn't going to carry enough weight, (get it? ), to justify another model.

In both cases though it is important from a marketing perspective that the saw shares a bar mount with other saws that 560/562 buyers are likely to own. Small mount in 560 markets and large mount in 562 markets makes sense. The ability to share bars with 372/576 size saws is a good idea for the 562 as most 562 pro buyers would not want a saw that requires different bars. Again, that same logic applies to 560 markets where the K095 mount is more common.

The other factor they see are the limited sales of the 555 and the Jonsered models. There is nothing there that demonstrates a significant desire on anyones part for a slightly lighter small mount version of the 562. Shame really as the 555 is one of the best kept secrets in the saw world. It really should sell way better than it does. I recall one person who has posted in this thread as touting the 555 as the BEST firewood saw there is on the market! Been a while since he has pulled his out of the retirement closet though. LOL

So much analysis....and since the 555 ( Best fire wood saw ever) is getting beat up in the market place....SO Why NOT sell a 560xp for the same price as a 555?? And then either sell the 555 for the same price as a 465 or drop it.. And if the 560 starts pulling too many sales from the 562...maybe it was the better configuration to begin with?? If not then the 1/2 lbs doesn't matter. Right?

( Add a little heat here...)

 

[Spike60]

LOL !!!

Selling the 560 for $100 less than the 562 will prove exactly what????????

 

[CR888]

For at least the last 2 years in Australia the 555 has not been on the shelves its been the 556. I thought it was just the progression of the model & presumed it would be sold in the states as well. I would love to tear down a 556 and run one next to my 555 to compare, our EPA regs are not as harsh as yours in the States, that's why the 357xp sits on the shelves in between the 556 & 562. I presume the only reason the 556 is NLA in the States is due to compliance of EPA standards. But its got me curious to what exactly its difference's are compared to the 555. FWIW I think the 555/556 saws are well worth considering. I wanted a small mount saw as in Ozzy hardwoods you would not ever consider running 20"-28" bars on a 60cc saw, the wood would laugh at you. So being able to run a ko95 laminate or RSN was a decent weight saving. Combine that with no rubbish grey paint, a low top filter cover you end up with a light 60cc saw that is physically smaller that pretty much all pro 50cc saws. My ms261 and 50cc echo are much bigger in size. Ive never experienced heat soak issues either. You can also gear down the saw by swapping a clutch drum from a 550xp so you can run a 7pin .325 setup detuning for more torque. I am glad for these reasons I jumped on a 555 deal as I was about to buy a 562. On paper the 555 has both advantages & disadvantages compared to the xp 562. Work out what your needs are and maybe a 555/556 is 'possibly' a better choice for you.

 

[Spike60]

Interesting comments on the 556. Especially the reality that with Aussie hardwoods, long bars on 60cc saws isn't going to work too well.

As far as the EPA regs, the 556 would be just as compliant as the 555 seeing as they have the same motor. There would only be the additional cost to certify it because it is a different model. Having all 4 saws for sale in the same market would add more confusion than sales. But then there'd be guys like me who would have to have one of each.

But if the 560 was to show up, I'd have them in stock and on the shelf. How would I sell it? The simple pitch would be "It's a little lighter than the 62 and uses the small mount bar. If you don't need it to share bars with a 372, then why not get the lighter one?" Here in the Northeast, there wouldn't be much interest in running bars longer than 20". So, yes there would certainly be some guys that would buy 560's. But I don't think adding the 560 would mean additional sales, unless they price it where Walt wants it. It would be more a case of stealing some sales from the 562. And that's the issue that the bean counters won't get past.

If you look at the pattern with other models, what we are seeing in the US is that they don't want unecessary SKU's that don't sell and are trying to make things simpler. No more G versions of the big saws, "W" kits instead of seperate models. You guys know that when first introduced there was actually a 555G on the price list? But they never brought them in. I don't think they ever even made them.