044 or Franken Saw?

[MustangMike]

For removing cylinders a T handle T-27 and a plastic ring compressor are, IMO, a must. They are not expensive to buy.

Always lube the cylinder before inserting the piston, always flush the crank case with mix before assembly (to clean & lube), but make sure none of that lube in on the mating surfaces when you use the sealer.

Doing a piston for the first time is easier with two people, you will want 3 hands. Always make sure the piston is installed in the proper direction (the arrow on top faces the front).

 

[T.Roller]

If your goin to pull the jug off, you should be familiar with how it is put together as well. Compressing the rings and installing the jug can be tricky if you have never done it before. A ring compressor kit may be helpful, I think bailey's sells them if I remember right.

I got my kit from HL Supply for pretty cheap.

 

[wiersy111]

As I learn more about this saw the more I am thinking about finding the correct parts for it. I will probably need help figuring out what parts I need to bring it back to an 044. Someone mentioned that it has a 046 filter cover so I am assuming the filter base is from an 046 also. What parts do I need to start searching for? I have included some pics, and any help would be appreciated.

 

[MustangMike]

I know they can put an 046 on an 044 tank holder, the only disadvantage is a smaller fuel tank. I think you have the opposite, an 044 on a 460 tank handle. I think the only way you can covert to 044/440 would be to get a different tank handle. The advantage you have is a larger fuel tank, and I don't know of any disadvantage. AM 440 tanks are available at reasonable prices, but why not just leave it?

If anyone thinks I am wrong on this, please just say so.

 

[T.Roller]

I know they can put an 046 on an 044 tank holder, the only disadvantage is a smaller fuel tank. I think you have the opposite, an 044 on a 460 tank handle. I think the only way you can covert to 044/440 would be to get a different tank handle. The advantage you have is a larger fuel tank, and I don't know of any disadvantage. AM 440 tanks are available at reasonable prices, but why not just leave it?

If anyone thinks I am wrong on this, please just say so.

I totally agree

 

[Dustin4185]

Would the same mods help a 440? After fixing the 026, I may try it on my 440.

 

[dall]

044 and 440 is the same saw other than the flippy floppy caps

 

[wiersy111]

Just thinking of more of a restoration project. Not sure yet, also kicking around having it ported. It's one of those things trying to figure out what to do with it.

 

[T.Roller]

Just thinking of more of a restoration project. Not sure yet, also kicking around having it ported. It's one of those things trying to figure out what to do with it.

Good luck finding a nice screw cap tank lol

 

[dall]

Some of mine a couple have been repaired but plan on spending a lot on a nice tank I've bought complete saws just for the tank most of mine are 046/460

 

[Dustin4185]

044 and 440 is the same saw other than the flippy floppy caps

Wish I could get rid of those! Mine leak like a sieve. The newer saws don't leak, but I have to lay that one on its side in storage or all the fuel leaks out.

 

[wiersy111]

Wish I could get rid of those! Mine leak like a sieve. The newer saws don't leak, but I have to lay that one on its side in storage or all the fuel leaks out.

Yup they suck.

 

[MustangMike]

Having it ported is the ultimate, but it is also not cheap. I guess it depends on how handy are you, and what has been done to it?

The easiest mods are the muffler and air filter (dual port muff cover & pleated air filter, like HD-2 or a AM one). Then timing advance, and deleting the base gasket usually works out very well on these (about 20/1000 squish w/o the gasket).

How does it run now?

 

[wiersy111]

Runs like a raped ape. I have the dual port muffler already and ready to do the gasket delete as soon as I have time to keep the shop warm. The timing advance makes me a little nervous. I want to have someone with more experience tune the card better.

 

[MustangMike]

Runs like a raped ape. I have the dual port muffler already and ready to do the gasket delete as soon as I have time to keep the shop warm. The timing advance makes me a little nervous. I want to have someone with more experience tune the card better.

If you can do the base gasket delete, the timing advance is, by comparison, easy.

How to do it is detailed very clearly on Randy's MS461 build thread. Just take 20/1000 off the key like he does, which will advance it about 6 degrees.

 

[MustangMike]

There are also vids on tuning the carb.

 

[wiersy111]

I will check out Randy's thread, any carb tuning videos that you recommend?

 

[MustangMike]

There are a lot of good ones out there, but this should get you started (read & watch).

http://www.madsens1.com/saw_carb_tune.htm

 

[wiersy111]

Thanks bud you have given me a lot to work on.

 

[MustangMike]

Best of Luck, and Enjoy!