.404 for dirty wood?

[KiwiBro (deleted)]

No idea sorry

 

[DELETED (Struggle)]

I flush cut stumps with a Stihl 880 and I routinely dull chains fast with chisel 404 just as fast as 3/8. I will try semi chisel next time I order so chain hopefully it will hold up better. I really cant see any difference in the 404 staying sharper anymore so that the 3/8. I grind stumps as a business so this isn't something new to me right now FYI


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[Jon1212]

Those both look pretty tempting. I'm not that stoked on a hard nose bar, but for $15, it wouldn't the end of the world to try one. Would either fit a mid sized stihl mount?

Only by opening up the stud slot to 12mm.

Easy enough to do with a small angle grinder.

I bought one of the .404 20" GB CN 40 bars a few weeks ago. It's one of the Stihl mid mount bars. I lengthened the slot on it so I can run an adaptor on my 395 with an 8 pin. My thinking is, it would be fun blocking firewood next to someone running a 460 Rancher, or MS 311......LOL!

 

[drf256]

I wouldn't run .404 milling at all. Puts a lot more load on a saw.

Milling is tough on a saw. Until I tried it myself, I couldn't believe how slow it goes and how long it takes.

My MMSW066 pulls a 36" 3/8 8pin through hardwood (cutting-not milling) with supreme authority. Slap a 28" .404 7pin (same size as an 8 pin 3/8) and I need to take my time or the saw will bog out easily.

Seems to last longer than 3/8 though. I wacked up a 36" by 70' hard maple with 404 with only one sharpening. That was cutting and noodling the rounds in half. Don't think 3/8 coulda done that.

 

[Ryan Browne]

Only by opening up the stud slot to 12mm.

Easy enough to do with a small angle grinder.

I bought one of the .404 20" GB CN 40 bars a few weeks ago. It's one of the Stihl mid mount bars. I lengthened the slot on it so I can run an adaptor on my 395 with an 8 pin. My thinking is, it would be fun blocking firewood next to someone running a 460 Rancher, or MS 311......LOL!

Any leads on another one? Or did you get left coast's last one?

 

[Jon1212]

Any leads on another one? Or did you get left coast's last one?

They still showed 20 or so, in stock, when I purchased mine.

 

[junkman]

I wouldn't run .404 milling at all. Puts a lot more load on a saw.

Milling is tough on a saw. Until I tried it myself, I couldn't believe how slow it goes and how long it takes.

My MMSW066 pulls a 36" 3/8 8pin through hardwood (cutting-not milling) with supreme authority. Slap a 28" .404 7pin (same size as an 8 pin 3/8) and I need to take my time or the saw will bog out easily.

Seems to last longer than 3/8 though. I wacked up a 36" by 70' hard maple with 404 with only one sharpening. That was cutting and noodling the rounds in half. Don't think 3/8 coulda done that.

.404 will oil a lot better than 3/8 milling ,at least for me it does

 

[KiwiBro (deleted)]

Another bar deal I thought was pretty blardy good was this one:
http://www.pressureparts.com/075-294

 

[jb-chainsaws]

If you're cutting really dirty crap that's been dragged like a big job I did not long ago, I ended up using .404 chipper chain.

Sure it cuts a tad slower, but lasts a lot longer in the really dirty chit

 

[jakethesnake]

I file semi chisel pretty slow for that affect

 

[Mycamaro_68]

Another bar deal I thought was pretty blardy good was this one:
http://www.pressureparts.com/075-294

Looking through there website I found this. Stihl mount 25" 404.

 

[jb-chainsaws]

I file semi chisel pretty slow for that affect

It depends on how fast you're used to having your chains!

 

[junkman]

For dirty wood the top of your cutter should be like this ,almost strait across ,this is referred to as slowing the chain down ,ends up in a stronger outer corner and will stay sharp longer .

 

[jakethesnake]

For dirty wood the top of your cutter should be like this ,almost strait across ,this is referred to as slowing the chain down ,ends up in a stronger outer corner and will stay sharp longer .
View attachment 37958

That's bout what I do with semi chisel seems to last real well

 

[junkman]

That's bout what I do with semi chisel seems to last real well

The lh skinny cutter chain is a semi chisel ripping chain for milling ,the rh one is rsc .404 sharpened to 10 -0-40 on the usg mcan see how much wider .404 is ,rslf .404 is even wider on the cutters .

 

[jakethesnake]

The lh skinny cutter chain is a semi chisel ripping chain for milling ,the rh one is rsc .404 sharpened to 10 -0-40 on the usg mcan see how much wider .404 is ,rslf .404 is even wider on the cutters .

I see. I've never ran 404 at all just 3/8 and 325 I usually avoid dirty wood as most of what I cut is green wood

 

[jb-chainsaws]

The lh skinny cutter chain is a semi chisel ripping chain for milling ,the rh one is rsc .404 sharpened to 10 -0-40 on the usg mcan see how much wider .404 is ,rslf .404 is even wider on the cutters .

How do these fare when cross cutting compared to regular semi chisel? I still need to try those angles you mentioned yesterday, think it was 20-20-40

 

[junkman]

How do these fare when cross cutting compared to regular semi chisel? I still need to try those angles you mentioned yesterday, think it was 20-20-40

In softwoods like cedar or fir i get a pretty nice finish with .404 chisel chain as long as i do not push too hard and let it eat as it wants .the .404 oils the bar better but there is more sawdust waste due to the wider cutters .Looks similar to a bandsaw if not smoother .

 

[Al Smith]

Unless it's covered with mud or drug through the sand I wouldn't get all that concerned about it .Just keep a file handy and use it often .