Tree Felling Technique Thread

[~WBF]

Welcome to OPE (again)
Still think your round filed chain can beat my square filed/ground chain ?

Haha...how's 'she be' Kev?

I knew it. I was thinking ..."as soon as I run into him ..that's the first thing he will bring up. ..lol . I guess it was the second thing. Because I did get a welcome.

Technically I never said mine would win.
I said I would bet $100 and you agreed to a 3 % handy cap. and I picked the specs..
Work chain vs work chain. The way I see It I won by default because you left the site when we had unfinished biz.


Nice to talk to you kev

 

[Deets066]

Sup Jamie!

 

[~WBF]

Sup Jamie!

Quiet in my end of town. How 'bout you? Building some bad boy saws these days?

 

[Deets066]

Quite in my end of town. How 'bout you? Building some bad boy saws these days?

Tryin, been workin a lot. Startin to get back to some projects

 

[~WBF]

I just came across this video.
Just take it for face value please. This guy is a good feller. It clearly shows he knows what he is doing at felling trees.
If you are short on time, fast forward to just before the 13 minute mark. This guy and his saw are very lucky. Very scary.

Ya just never know...

Yes I just saw the ending again.

Looks like white Spruce for sure.

Looks like very lite and very strong wood.. It appeared a bit smaller as it looked to have a bell end butt on it near the bottom 3-4 ft. It actually b-chaired back off the low side holding wood. It should have peeled of like a bandaid once the top fails and stayed in the sideways motion but because he took out the middle it was able to spin then separate
then jump back of the thin piece that stayed attached to the stump. Crazy!!!
I thought it must have hit something tk do that.


bad wood in the root.?
Bad back cut angle from side to side with the jack?

Funny thing was it went down into the ditch side and spun 90° back into lay. Unbelievable!

A translation of what they said would be interesting to me.
Thnx

 

[Moparmyway]

Haha...how's 'she be' Kev?

I knew it. I was thinking ..."as soon as I run into him ..that's the first thing he will bring up. ..lol . I guess it was the second thing. Because I did get a welcome.

Technically I never said mine would win.
I said I would bet $100 and you agreed to a 3 % handy cap. and I picked the specs..
Work chain vs work chain. The way I see It I won by default because you left the site when we had unfinished biz.


Nice to talk to you kev

PM me your address, lemme know the details on your choice of chain, I’ll square up something for you to work with and send it for you to try out. If we ever meet, you’re buying !

 

[Farmchuck]

View attachment 170719 Took this one down in a field edge today. It had a deformed top and was weighted all to one side. I was a little worried it may chair on me, so I bore cut it to set the hinge then cut the trigger. Came down fine with a solid trunk. This old maple had been around a while. Downside was I found some barbed wire in it and had 91 DL bar and chain!

Can’t “Like” that.

 

[~WBF]

Sup Jamie!

Quiet in my end of town. How 'bout you? Building some bad boy saws these days?

Cool man! Srry Deetsy..I didn't mean to mislead you. I meant I just heard its quiet in my end of town ..but i'll be back home soon

Some people answer "The call of the wild" and go to the bush, Jungle or mountains around this great planet. I go to London and answer "The call of the wild"
* Howls at the moon * ..wait! I can't see the moon, there is too many city lights? WTF?
*Howls anyways*

~that was a great book BTW^^

 

[Coltont]

Cool man! Srry Deetsy..I didn't mean to mislead you. I meant I just heard its quiet in my end of town ..but i'll be back home soon

Some people answer "The call of the wild" and go to the bush, Jungle or mountains around this great planet. I go to London and answer "The call of the wild"
* Howls at the moon * ..wait...wait I can't see the moon there is too many city lights? WTF?
*Howls anyways*

~that was a great book BTW^^

Wtf? Your all over the place.

 

[Deets066]

Wtf? Your all over the place.

Just how it is... he hasn’t changed a bit. Lol

 

[huskihl]

Just how it is... he hasn’t changed a bit. Lol

WBF....WTF......

See the similarities?

Just gotta roll with it

 

[Drptrch]

Comeing sooooon to a Forest near you !!
Just around the corner


Erik

 

[~WBF]

XP Slinger & ...
So here is a site called MYROOFF.com
Its has a roof pitch calculator.
The one you want will say:
Enter Parameters
Rise-------Run
So it gives pitch and degrees.

I know pitch and ratios and basic degrees of pitch like 12/12 pitch is 45° and 6/12 is 26°+ and 3/12 is 14°+ so I pretty much knew what a wedge was in degree.

1" by 12" is 4.7 6 °
K&h 3/4" by 10" is 4.3
K&H 1" by 7.5 ( 8" ) 7.6 °

It all does not mean anything but a conversation. What means something is the image of a/the triangle and a square. Now that will help you be a better faller.

Most importantly, now it's story time.

As far as reference?
When I use to cut Seismic lines in north BC and Alberta; this cute welders helper chic in camp talked about my little buddy from Newfoundland that I worked on the same jobs with over the years and I guess she went back to his room a few times. Little Tommy is about 135 lb and maybe 5'5"; as she was saying to me "he is always trying to get me to watch the playboy channel and show me his junk" ... She then imitated his newffy accent
and said he said .." me çocs is big as me wedge" well I laughed and then said...you never know by the size of a guy. She quickly agreed and that was that.
Next day we all get picked up by the Bell 212 (Huey) 3 guys per crew and 4 crews get picked up so I end up in the dog cage on one side with Tommy so we get out last and I start to pull our saws and backpacks ect out of the side hatch compartment and his wedges fell out so I took a look and said you can grab you own wedges buddy. lol.

And the moral of the story?

Degrees is like knowing a langue that nobody else knows and probably better off not knowing.

Hold your wedge bottom heavy and hold it plumb to the outside of the lean. If you need to put two together then use two.

That will now give a judge on degrees.
the rest only matter when the wedge is about the same length as the wedging base and that is as long as the angle of the tree lean is consistent. now take away the saw kerf of the wedge/s that you are holding in your hand then you get in the ball park. That's limited. but nevertheless.
its just a measuring stick..Yeah but not to measure you stick..haha^^

That above ^^is measuring 'the offset triangle from a level square (in my words)

Its all about the square image.
Width = height = 1:1 ratio
Width being the undercut to back of base.
Now plumb down from the equal distance (square) ht = wdth (with whatever) and the widest point of the triangle at the base (would be back cut) is your distance you have to overcome with your wedges.
Think about deducting your saw kerf too...and 50 other things and you are on
your bike.

What subject was this again?

 

[~WBF]

In the format of the late great Mr Jonny Carson:

My post are so long... "How long are they"?

They are soooooo long.....that they have to have a story break in the middle

...and that's a good joke people^^

 

[XP_Slinger]

XP Slinger & ...
So here is a site called MYROOFF.com
Its has a roof pitch calculator.
The one you want will say:
Enter Parameters
Rise-------Run
So it gives pitch and degrees.

I know pitch and ratios and basic degrees of pitch like 12/12 pitch is 45° and 6/12 is 26°+ and 3/12 is 14°+ so I pretty much knew what a wedge was in degree.

1" by 12" is 4.7 6 °
K&h 3/4" by 10" is 4.3
K&H 1" by 7.5 ( 8" ) 7.6 °

It all does not mean a thing but a conversation thing but what means something is the image of a/the triangle and a square. Now that will help you be a better faller. I will get into it in a bit.

Most importantly, it's sorry time

As far as reference?
When I use to cut Seismic lines in north BC and Alberta; this cute welders helper chic in camp talked about my little buddy from Newfoundland that I worked on the same jobs with over the years and I guess she went back to his room a few times. Little Tommy is about 135 lb and maybe 5'5"; as she was saying to me "he is always trying to get me to watch the playboy channel and show me his junk" ... She then imitated his newffy accent
and said he said .." me çocs is big as me wedge" well I laughed and then said...you never know by the size of a guy. She quickly agreed and that was that.
Next day we all get picked up by the Bell 212 (Huey) 3 guys per crew and 4 crews get picked up so I end up in the dog cage on one side with Tommy so we get out last and I start to pull our saws and backpacks ect out of the side hatch compartment and his wedges fell out so I took a look and said you can grab you own wedges buddy. lol.

And the moral of the sorry?

Degrees is like knowing a langue that nobody else knows and probably better off not knowing.

Hold your wedge bottom heavy and hold it plumb to the outside of the lean. If you need to put two together then use two.

That will now give a judge on degrees.
the rest only matter when the wedge is about the same length as the wedging base and that is as long as the angle of the tree lean is consistent. now take away the saw kerf of the wedge/s that you are holding in your hand then you get in the ball park. That's limited. but nevertheless.
its just a measuring stick.

That above ^^is measuring the offset triangle of a square.

Its all about the square image.
Width = height = 1:1 ratio
Width being the undercut to back of base.
Now plumb down from the equal distance (square) ht = wdth (with whatever) and the widest point of the triangle at the base (would be back cut) is your distance you have to overcome with your wedges.
Think about deducting your saw kerf too...and 50 other things and you are on
your bike.

What subject was this again?

I’m gonna have to chew on that for a while...lol! In the meantime, if I have doubts as to whether or not a wedge or two can overcome a lean I’ll just hook my winch to it and pull it over.

 

[~WBF]

I’m gonna have to chew on that for a while...lol! In the meantime, if I have doubts as to whether or not a wedge or two can overcome a lean I’ll just hook my winch to it and pull it over.

Ok oh..I wasn't aware that was a falling technique.
I'm all about the bullet tree first before
I ever become 'bob the builder' and beat off with my axe half the flucken day.

Think of it in construction terms.
Frame a 2×4 square on a level floor then you put a 1" shim under one end and each corner will be out 1" from the other from either level or plumb. Right?

So whatever you have done to one corner you have done to the next. In terms of being square to a level floor. Correct?

2)This can be a square framed 2x4 image that you can take with you. Really Its just a square image.

4) The rules of the square image is the square image ALWAYS sits level and the square image SIZE is ALWAYS determined by distance between the back off the tree to the undercut apex.

*Keeping in mind that there is no cut in the tree at this time so it's what you imagine it should be.

Simple stuff. Right?

5) Look for the triangle gap between the square IMAGE and and the leaning tree.

That distance = the height you need to overcome with your wedges.
Roger?

I saw this thread so I signed up here so when you hang out a question that's in my wheel house then don't you walk away with nothing.
Don't you ever quit me? and I'll show you something. Anybody can make chips and my grandma can fall green trees

You know the difference between beginners and advanced? Anyone?

 

[junkman]

Hullo Jamie

I see your posts are not lacking a lot of ink still.

 

[~WBF]

Hullo Jamie

I see your posts are not lacking a lot of ink still.

Hello brother/neighbor Brian. Nice to talk to ya. Yeah I had a lawyer once that said I was hard on the pen. So I said it's better to be hard on the pen than taking it hard in the pen. Haha
I'm invested...wait! I don't to be passionate. Oh chit! never mind. I missed my turn and I'm just passion the liquor store again. Dam! J/k
What up bud?





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[Moparmyway]

Ok oh..I wasn't aware that was a falling technique.
I'm all about the bullet tree first before
I ever become 'bob the builder' and beat off with my axe half the flucken day.

Think of it in construction terms.
Frame a 2×4 square on a level floor then you put a 1" shim under one end and each corner will be out 1" from the other, by either level or plumb. Right?

So whatever you have done to one corner you have done to the next. In terms of being square to a level floor. Correct?


2) We don't shim are walls up 1".
Our framing is square and level.

3) This can be a square framed 2×4 image that you can take with you.

4) The rules of the square image is the square image ALWAYS sits level and the square image SIZE is ALWAYS determined by distance between the back off the tree to the undercut apex.

*Keeping in mind that there is no cut in the tree so it's what you think.

Simple stuff. Right?

5) Look for the triangle gap between the 2×4 square IMAGE and and the leaning tree.

That distance = the height you need to overcome with your wedges
Roger?

Look,I saw this thread so I signed up here so when you hang out a question that's in my wheel house then don't you walk away with nothing.
Don't you ever quit me? and I'll show you something. Anybody can make chips and my grandma can fall green trres

You know the difference between beginners and advanced? Anyone?

To me, Jamie, you’re the Encyclopedia Britannica for felling. In every single post, I see or can relate to what you’re driving for. I appreciate you being here. Thanks bud !

 

[hseII]

Exactly the same here, I'd really like to take my daughter with me picking morel mushrooms this spring but im not subjecting her to tick infested woods.

How often do y’all get to control burn?


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