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I chuckle at folks that will not buy brand "x" because they feel it is inferior and/or foreign made but they will pay a huge sum for brand "x" because it is superior and/or made in America.
 

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I chuckle at folks that will not buy brand "x" because they feel it is inferior and/or foreign made but they will pay a huge sum for brand "x" because it is superior and/or made in America.
What?! You mean to tell me you chuckle at people who would rather spend money on a known, reputable brand instead of chinese made crap?
 

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If you are one that thinks a "Made in America" label means in was truly made in America then you are sadly mistaken.
I am employed in an Croatian based factory, we make parts that have "Made in Italy" cast onto them in huge letters.
That is technically illegal and may spell "Assembled in Italy" at best.

No one is checking a products origin, the average consumer believes whatever he/she is told!
 

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I am employed in an Croatian based factory, we make parts that have "Made in Italy" cast onto them in huge letters.
That is technically illegal and may spell "Assembled in Italy" at best.

No one is checking a products origin, the average consumer believes whatever he/she is told!
That’s pretty cool info wilhelm
 

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I am employed in an Croatian based factory, we make parts that have "Made in Italy" cast onto them in huge letters.
That is technically illegal and may spell "Assembled in Italy" at best.

No one is checking a products origin, the average consumer believes whatever he/she is told!
I purchased stuff in the past that's been only been marked Made in the EU.
 

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I am employed in an Croatian based factory, we make parts that have "Made in Italy" cast onto them in huge letters.
That is technically illegal and may spell "Assembled in Italy" at best.

No one is checking a products origin, the average consumer believes whatever he/she is told!
Does that matter? Since we are all under EU umbrella?
 

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Made in America or wherever used to mean something....now nothing means anything.

Laws are written by the wealthy for the wealthy. If a law gets in the way of the wealthy folks making money, they simply have one of the politicians on their payroll follow the directions of one of the lawyers they have on their payroll, and presto, we have new and different laws.

Adjust your expectations if you are a peasant like me, and try to enjoy the life you have been blessed with.
 

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I am employed in an Croatian based factory, we make parts that have "Made in Italy" cast onto them in huge letters.
That is technically illegal and may spell "Assembled in Italy" at best.

No one is checking a products origin, the average consumer believes whatever he/she is told!
That is exactly right! We have folks that are gullible enough to believe a ridiculous tag. They see "Made in America" and think it was designed, engineered, manufactured, and constructed here with materials that were designed, engineered, manufactured, and constructed here. Now I want to be clear I am not opposed to items designed, engineered, manufactured, and constructed in other countries. The entire world would not be where it is without folks from 6 continents. Intelligent hard working folks come from all areas. Think about what we are all using now to communicate and where the technology comes from....Japan, China, Korea, etc. How about the two dominant saws today. They came from Germany and Sweden. The company of origin is second to the quality of product.
 
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Made in America or wherever used to mean something....now nothing means anything.

Laws are written by the wealthy for the wealthy. If a law gets in the way of the wealthy folks making money, they simply have one of the politicians on their payroll follow the directions of one of the lawyers they have on their payroll, and presto, we have new and different laws.

Adjust your expectations if you are a peasant like me, and try to enjoy the life you have been blessed with.
I am amazed at what folks believe when they read a label. No industry in America is immune to deception. I am a strong supporter of agriculture, especially animal agriculture but this label is a 100% outright attempt at deception. It is shameful.

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What?! You mean to tell me you chuckle at people who would rather spend money on a known, reputable brand instead of chinese made crap?
That is not at all what I said or believe. I said....
I chuckle at folks that will not buy brand "x" because they feel it is inferior and/or foreign made but they will pay a huge sum for brand "x" because it is superior and/or made in America.
I will give you some real life examples.

1. Do you all remember when Stihl was selling the plastic handled axes? They were made by Fiskars but carried the Stihl name. They were the same axe but to buy one at a Stihl dealer carrying the Stihl name was significantly higher price. Same item, same quality, higher price. Folks are buying and paying more for a reputable name not an origin.

2. How about Stihl zero turn mowers? Has anyone noticed them popping up at all the box stores? Most be high quality STIHL stuff eh? What a joke, they are made by Simplicity which is still a very good product but the gullible public sees "Stihl" and opens their wallet wider than buying from a servicing Simplicity dealer. The sad thing is in that case Stihl is forcing Simplicity to not produce zero turn mowers under the Simplicity name, thus starving dealers. Folks are buying and paying more for a reputable name not an origin.

3. For how many decades did we see folks buy a GMC truck over a Chevy and pay more because it had a different trim package. How about Ford and Mercury? Folks paid more for the vehicle based on a name not quality. For any of you that have been in a car/truck plant you know as they come down the line thy are mixed among brands. Do any of you have a 2000-2015 a Chevy/GMC SUV such as a Yukon, Denali or Suburban? Did you custom order it? Did you go to the plant to watch it be built? General Motors operated a large GM SUV assembly plant in Janesville Wisconsin for almost 100 years. It built all types of trucks. In the end prior to closing, it was building the SUV's such as the Yukon and Denali. My wife and I went through the plant in probably 2002 or so. While there the gentleman leading us through shared many stories of his 40 plus year career with GM. He said recently they had many folks that special ordered trucks and were given an assembly date. The folks would come to the plant and want to see their new truck being assembled. Sadly he or another representative would have to dash their hopes. Yes their truck was indeed being assembled that day but it was being assembled about 2500 miles south in Mexico. They were pissed because they bought based on brand and did not research the origin.

4. Here is an example in a staple of life, food. I doubt there is anyone that is not familiar with Heinz. Most know them for their Ketchup. How many know them for soup. For years they were #2 in the USA behind Campbells. They are currently #3 worldwide and Campbells is #5. Go to your local supermarket and try to find a can of Heinz soup, I bet you cannot. You ask "well then how in the heck can they be #2 in the soup market and I have never seen a can" The reason is you are too caught up on a label and not the product origin. Heinz markets their soups under a long list of private labels......some call "generic" or inferior which they are not. My father spent 35 years there in management. I worked there in college. The soup was all the same. It was cooked the same, put in the same cans, and came down the same line can after can. The difference was when it hit the labeler. At that point it could be labeled under any of probably 15 brands. In those days we had three competing local supermarket chains. There was Aldi, Nash Finch, and Hy-Vee. Each one had there own private label soup but it was all the same, produced together and just had a different label. Folks were gullible enough to go pay 10% more at Hy-Vee over Nash-Finch for the same soup. Do not even say Aldi soup as that was only fit for a dog according to some. What a joke.

5. Back on machinery, I worked in a lift truck plant that had a strong USA name that many may not have heard of, Raymond. They are based in New York but are owned by Toyota. In the plant they produce both Raymond and Toyota trucks. There is zero difference between the two other than paint color and stickers, that is it, period. I was a weld inspector in the final weld department. Every assembly was the same and welded the same no matter what brand it was. The only issue was we had a time period where the guys were getting a bit heavy fisted on the 12ft forks when grinding. They were leaving a bit too many swirls. The Raymond's were fine as they got painted black and it covered but the swirls were showing through the Toyota's which got painted orange. I had to keep track on the product codes and have the guys use a DA on the Toyota's. The point is there was zero difference in quality between the Raymond and Toyota but the customer sure paid a difference in price. They looked at the brand and not the origin.

In general folks look at a label and not at the origin of the products and the material that go into it. So @Loony661 to answer your question I chuckle at the folks that buy based on brand, not quality, and origin.
 

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Have not had to mix much in my life so just followed the standard 50:1.

Mixed up some 33:1 after reading a bit here. Just love my three saws so I'm hopeful they'll appreciate the mixture!
There are a lot of folks that get caught up on oil ratios.......hence all the threads about it. Years ago I worked for the Army Corp of Engineers and we had cans of 16:1, 20:1, 32:1, 40:1, and 50:1.

16:1 for the ole Mac 35 chainsaw
20:1 for the Evinrude outboards
32:1 for the gutless Lawn Boy mowers.
40:1 for some trimmers
50:1 for newer saws
 

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I purchased stuff in the past that's been only been marked Made in the EU.
"Made in EU" is a legal "Made in ..." mark!

Does that matter? Since we are all under EU umbrella?
It matters a lot as long as the individual countries own laws and enforcement (or lack thereof!!!) remains unchallenged and unchecked!

Try melting and casting pig iron from scrap steel chips and rusty tin sheet in Austria, Germany, Italy...
What do You think how long it would take till You'd get shut down for environment pollution?!

The country of TRUE origin dictates the baseline price tag, the lower the baseline price tag is the more "brand name" profit You can slap onto the retail price of Your product.

"Made in EU" don't mean $#it , and the EU don't give a $#it as long as the €€€ flows.

For me as a commoner/working class Croatia entering the EU raised cost of living without equal raise of income.
 

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"Made in EU" is a legal "Made in ..." mark!


It matters a lot as long as the individual countries own laws and enforcement (or lack thereof!!!) remains unchallenged and unchecked!

Try melting and casting pig iron from scrap steel chips and rusty tin sheet in Austria, Germany, Italy...
What do You think how long it would take till You'd get shut down for environment pollution?!

The country of TRUE origin dictates the baseline price tag, the lower the baseline price tag is the more "brand name" profit You can slap onto the retail price of Your product.

"Made in EU" don't mean $#it , and the EU don't give a $#it as long as the €€€ flows.

For me as a commoner/working class Croatia entering the EU raised cost of living without equal raise of income.
A bit off topic but since the subject of the EU has come up I thought when it was formed all the countries adopted the Euro as their currency. In my saw dealings with folks I am finding that is not always true. I do admit I see it most in the UK but in others also. It is none of my business but it just makes translation very tough. I have folks talk Pounds, Euro, Krona, etc.
 

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There are a lot of folks that get caught up on oil ratios.......hence all the threads about it. Years ago I worked for the Army Corp of Engineers and we had cans of 16:1, 20:1, 32:1, 40:1, and 50:1.

16:1 for the ole Mac 35 chainsaw
20:1 for the Evinrude outboards
32:1 for the gutless Lawn Boy mowers.
40:1 for some trimmers
50:1 for newer saws
My dad tried running his old Sachs Stamo 96 2-stroker on 25:1 with my Dolmar/Makita 50:1 rated 2-Stroke oil.
It rook him 2 years to understand that modern 2-stroke oil is not the same as regular SAE engine oil that old school engine called for.
The poor old Stamo would drown in unburnt oil.

32:1 with modern good 2-stroke oil should work for old and new alike.
 

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A bit off topic but since the subject of the EU has come up I thought when it was formed all the countries adopted the Euro as their currency. In my saw dealings with folks I am finding that is not always true. I do admit I see it most in the UK but in others also. It is none of my business but it just makes translation very tough. I have folks talk Pounds, Euro, Krona, etc.
The UK never adopted the €uro as their legal currency, and they are no longer in the Europe Union.
Google Brexit!

As for other countries, I have no idea.

Croatia abandoned its stable historical currency in half a heartbeat!
Price gouging since the switch to the €uro is being blamed on recession and inflation.
 

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There are a lot of folks that get caught up on oil ratios.......hence all the threads about it. Years ago I worked for the Army Corp of Engineers and we had cans of 16:1, 20:1, 32:1, 40:1, and 50:1.

16:1 for the ole Mac 35 chainsaw
20:1 for the Evinrude outboards
32:1 for the gutless Lawn Boy mowers.
40:1 for some trimmers
50:1 for newer saws
I missed the years ago part. Deleted my other post.
 

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All you showed was a label. Labels are meaningless. Try researching the company.
Once again, you are full of *s-word. There is also a picture of a wrench, made in Barberton Ohio, at the Wright tool factory. You are online 23.5 hours a day, I assume you have the time to check them out and see for yourself.
 

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Once again, you are full of *s-word. There is also a picture of a wrench, made in Barberton Ohio, at the Wright tool factory. You are online 23.5 hours a day, I assume you have the time to check them out and see for yourself.
Play nice fellas. This ain't AS.
 
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