What oil is best? and what ratio?

[Keith Gandy]

OIL - I've seen differences in times. I've seen differences in temps. With different ratios of the same oil and with different oil all together. I really think there is something to it all or I wouldn't be spending so much of my resources on this craziness.

I said it a long time ago. Not all the 2t oils are the same (different viscs, different flash pts, different formulations, etc etc) and therefore they should run differently. Speculate on which does what...I think it's easier to, not speculate, just remain objective and run a test on them all and simply see what happens.

I'm going to great lengths to take out as many variables as I can. This gas/octane test is just another one of them.

GAS/OCTANE - As for the gas/octane test... I'll run 36" 404 and check times and temps. Might be a lot going on. Might be nothing going on.

Are u done testing yet?? Hurry up so we can see the results !!

 

[Redbull661]

You know you are one of my heroes.....

if your talking to me. uhh I'd say I just need mental help. Cuz what I am doing is borderline insanity. lol But thanks...I think. heh

Are u done testing yet?? Hurry up so we can see the results !!

deets and I are discussing building a giant cant for this oil test. Or it might just be easier to pay tree monkey to make one...he has the mill obviously and a good concentric wood to make one out of. I might need $ help on that. I've kinda exhausted my resources on this thing.

 

[Keith Gandy]

You know you are one of my heroes.....

The man is very ambitious!! Gotta respect and appreciate all the efforts and information he has went to the max for!!

 

[Mastermind]

if your talking to me. uhh I'd say I just need mental help. Cuz what I am doing is borderline insanity. lol But thanks...I think. heh

Yeah, I'm talking to you. At first I thought you were crazy. But.......you've taught me some stuff. I like to learn.

 

[Nitehawk55]

Like Allen said yesterday about a new saw. Lock the throttle open and leave it for the first tank.

Engine needs to be under load , free revving an engine is a recipe for blowing an engine .
Get it in a cut and work it !

 

[jmssaws]

Engine needs to be under load , free revving an engine is a recipe for blowing an engine .
Get it in a cut and work it !

I think is a figure of speech. Not to be taken literally.

 

[Keith Gandy]

I think is a figure of speech. Not to be taken literally.

It would seem a saw for milling would need a constant load for breakin but a bucking or limbing saw would be better off with variable throttle loads for breakin?

 

[jmssaws]

It would seem a saw for milling would need a constant load for breakin but a bucking or limbing saw would be better off with variable throttle loads for breakin?

I don't recommend holding any saw wfo much less walking around with it that way. I think the point is to run one hard while you break it in.

 

[Keith Gandy]

I don't recommend holding any saw wfo much less walking around with it that way. I think the point is to run one hard while you break it in.

We broke all our dirtbikes in when we raced by varying throttle response less than 1/2 throttle and a cool down period several times and then rode hard for 15 mintues or so 1/2 throttle and up with cool down periods several times

 

[tree monkey]

 

[tree monkey]

 

[Mastermind]

Dammit Scott.......

So......now we gotta all use baby oil?

For what I ain't sayin.

 

[Redbull661]

I can see the error in my ways now... Yes, yes I am totally in the wrong profession!!!

edit: sh*t! - wife almost caught me watching that! lol

 

[jk14]

I'll gladly kick in some cash to help keep this insane test moving. Just let me know where to send it. You sir @Redbull661 and company have my utmost respect for following through witb this.

 

[tree monkey]

research








that means watch it again

 

[CoreyB]

Ya just show it to her and ask. Would you enjoy something like that?

 

[tree monkey]

oil research has it's benefits

 

[skidooguy]

It puts the lotion on its skin. It does what it is told.

 

[Ron660]

That Klotz migrates to the bottomend better than anything Ive seen and that much @ 50:1?? Impressive!!

A co-worker, which use to work for a large oil company, blended and tested 2-cycle oils. He said the amount of oil in the bottom-end was due to the QUANTITY of oil in your mix not the QUALITY of oil. If you want more oil in the bottom/lower-end, for example, increase your mix from 50:1 to 25:1. You're not changing the viscosity. Viscosity at 100C is viscosity at 100C.

 

[Keith Gandy]

A co-worker, which use to work for a large oil company, blended and tested 2-cycle oils. He said the amount of oil in the bottom-end was due to the QUANTITY of oil in your mix not the QUALITY of oil. If you want more oil in the bottom/lower-end, for example, increase your mix from 50:1 to 25:1. You're not changing the viscosity. Viscosity at 100C is viscosity at 100C.

Ill agree with that but my question is why does Klotz even @ 50to1 seem to leave more residual in the bottom than other oils at richer ratios? I cant remember the term for migration of the oil from the fuel and what determines how easily it does that but seems I remember reading somewhere theres an additive the companies use to aid in this migration from the fuel to the crankcase. Temperatue aids I know as the crankcase has to be warm enough for the fuel to evaporate from the oil and travel to the topend