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I should add, I pretty much only drink coffee I make at home. Coffee from a restaurant, gas station, or coffee shop is always too hot and too bitter. Starbucks tastes like straight ass, I can't understand how that company became so big with such a sh*tty product.
 

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Anyone ever heard of or used at Tillotson HE28 carb for an 044/ms440?

I never have seen that carb series that I can recall but not sure why it would be better or worse than the others for it unless Venturi size is bigger or something. Most 044/046 run a tillitson hs series I believe or the walbro hd or a zama. But I may be wrong because I think all my 044/046 saws I’ve had or worked on were zama or walbro.
 
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I never have seen that carb series that I can recall but not sure why it would be better or worse than the others for it unless Venturi size is bigger or something. Most 044/046 run a tillitson hs series I believe or the walbro hd or a zama. But I may be wrong because I think all my 044/046 saws I’ve had or worked on were zama or walbro.
The reason why I’m interested is because it’s half the price of a new Walbro or Zama.
 

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Need advise regarding a Stihl MS251.
It has not ben started this pst two and a half years, it lay with fuel in it.
I drained the tank, washed it out with clean fuel, and filled it with Aspen2 stroke mix.
It startd right up, on first pull with the choke on, then it slowly died, would not start
and its one of those with the easy start.
Pulled the plug, it was dry, which I presumed as it refused to throttle up, like the low
was lean.
Got it going again and this time it would stay going but died way down every time I
gave it some throttle, If I feather the throttle it will roar into fourstroking, I stopped as it needs worked on.
It could be the low just needs adjusted, It could also be a stiff diaphram that will draw when the engine
speed is high but not when low, either way I need to know what tool to get to adjust the jets.
Does anyone know what tool I need for the carb on this saw, and if there is limiters in there
how does one get them out.
I woiuld like to try adjust the carb as this might be all it needs, it might actually run on standard
two stroke mix, either way I need the tool as I have been given this saw and would like to get it right.
All advice welcome, thanks.
 

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Need advise regarding a Stihl MS251.
It has not ben started this pst two and a half years, it lay with fuel in it.
I drained the tank, washed it out with clean fuel, and filled it with Aspen2 stroke mix.
It startd right up, on first pull with the choke on, then it slowly died, would not start
and its one of those with the easy start.
Pulled the plug, it was dry, which I presumed as it refused to throttle up, like the low
was lean.
Got it going again and this time it would stay going but died way down every time I
gave it some throttle, If I feather the throttle it will roar into fourstroking, I stopped as it needs worked on.
It could be the low just needs adjusted, It could also be a stiff diaphram that will draw when the engine
speed is high but not when low, either way I need to know what tool to get to adjust the jets.
Does anyone know what tool I need for the carb on this saw, and if there is limiters in there
how does one get them out.
I woiuld like to try adjust the carb as this might be all it needs, it might actually run on standard
two stroke mix, either way I need the tool as I have been given this saw and would like to get it right.
All advice welcome, thanks.S
Dealership should have the carb tuning tool, but if it ran fine a couple of years ago carb tuning most likely isn't the problem. I'd start upstream with fuel filter and tank vent/valve. Pull the filter and vent off and run it.
 

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Dealership should have the carb tuning tool, but if it ran fine a couple of years ago carb tuning most likely isn't the problem. I'd start upstream with fuel filter and vent/valve. Pull the filter and vent off and run it.
Where is the vent located, the filter looks like new, the old fuel was not even bad, it was still mixed and not all separated
but I dumped it out and added new Aspen pre mixxed fuel. The think about the aspen is it burns better so adjustments
are needed going from standard two stroke fuel, my little echo took a hell of a lot of adjutment when I used Aspen in it.
And its cold here now too.
Is ther limiters in these saws too that need removed, I Cant even see what the heads of the jets look like, the hole leading
into them seems sloped on one side in order to guide what ever tool is required to the exact location on the jet.
 

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Where is the vent located, the filter looks like new, the old fuel was not even bad, it was still mixed and not all separated
but I dumped it out and added new Aspen pre mixxed fuel. The think about the aspen is it burns better so adjustments
are needed going from standard two stroke fuel, my little echo took a hell of a lot of adjutment when I used Aspen in it.
And its cold here now too.
Is ther limiters in these saws too that need removed, I Cant even see what the heads of the jets look like, the hole leading
into them seems sloped on one side in order to guide what ever tool is required to the exact location on the jet.
The carb needs cleaning and rebuild, they do have a special tool for adjusting the jets. I usually pull the limiters on them, to get them out you need to drill the little pins out of carb housing so the limiters can be pulled out past pin end. I would need to look in the book to see what tool is used to adjust with limiters in.
 

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The carb needs cleaning and rebuild
I think so, two and a half years laying with fuel in the carb will have messed with the diaphram and the passages could be clogged too.
I need to get a kit, but I have no ultrasonic unit either. These little saws are €729.00 in my local store, this one has done two weeks work at the most.
I see there is a special tool to remove the limiters, is it left hand thread, I also need the adjuster for the carb, my local store is very
expensive so will have to go online for them items.
 

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Where is the vent located, the filter looks like new, the old fuel was not even bad, it was still mixed and not all separated
but I dumped it out and added new Aspen pre mixxed fuel. The think about the aspen is it burns better so adjustments
are needed going from standard two stroke fuel, my little echo took a hell of a lot of adjutment when I used Aspen in it.
And its cold here now too.
Is ther limiters in these saws too that need removed, I Cant even see what the heads of the jets look like, the hole leading
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I'd pull the filter off anyway. Just takes a second. If you can't find a tank vent then crack the fuel cap open a bit. Move on to the carb if nothing improves. With a rebuilt carb it won't run well with a dirty filter or clogged vent, but it does need rebuilding or replacing after sitting so long regardless. It should run with different fuel, maybe not as well.
 

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I think so, two and a half years laying with fuel in the carb will have messed with the diaphram and the passages could be clogged too.
I need to get a kit, but I have no ultrasonic unit either. These little saws are €729.00 in my local store, this one has done two weeks work at the most.
I see there is a special tool to remove the limiters, is it left hand thread, I also need the adjuster for the carb, my local store is very
expensive so will have to go online for them items.
The carb is more than likely plugged especially if it was ethanol gas, I’ve gotten quite a few next to new saws that people bought for a storm tree. The saw cuts one tree or something gos on shelf for 2-3 years and another storm hits. Saw won’t start gos to shop and they quote 100$ plus parts to rebuild carb and tune. Guy says only payed 170 for saw buys another instead, usually same thing happens to that one because they didn’t learn to drain it and run till quits. Then put a tank of canned fuel in start and store with that. Most should just use canned gas all the time for limited use. Good call on not running anymore till carb is cleaned, the bog is a lean condition and could damage saw if you keep trying without a carb cleaning.
 

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I'd pull the filter off anyway. Just takes a second. If you can't find a tank vent then crack the fuel cap open a bit. Move on to the carb if nothing improves. With a rebuilt carb it won't run well with a dirty filter or clogged vent, but it does need rebuilding after sitting so long regardless. It should run with different fuel, just different.
I will do, best to rule out the simple things first. This saw always had to be feathered even when using standard mixed fuel,
when it warmed it was one wicked little saw, it still roars up top, just flat from idle until it get third of the way there, needs sorted.
 
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I will do, best to rule out the simple things first. This saw always had to be feathered even when using standard mixed fuel,
when it warmed it was one wicked little saw, it still roars up top, just falt from idle until it get third of the way there, needs sorted.
If you think you'll be using it regularly, may be worthwhile to replace fuel filter, fuel line, vent, carb, impulse line, maybe manifold but probably not.
Best bet with the carb if you're unfamiliar with them is a professionally cleaned and rebuilt OEM. Usually half the price of new OEM.
 

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The carb needs cleaning and rebuild, they do have a special tool for adjusting the jets. I usually pull the limiters on them, to get them out you need to drill the little pins out of carb housing so the limiters can be pulled out past pin end. I would need to look in the book to see what tool is used to adjust with limiters in.
Thanks, I did spot those pins in a video, are they top and bottom thus both need drilled, or is there just the one pin perhas on the top only that needs to be drilled.
There seems to be plenty of room to cut a slice off these carbs with a 4 inch slitting disc if one gets no luck other ways.

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If you think you'll be using it regularly, may be worthwhile to replace fuel filter, fuel line, vent, carb, impulse line, maybe manifold but probably not.
Best bet with the carb if you're unfamiliar with them is a professionally cleaned and rebuilt OEM. Usually half the price of new OEM.
I will get it cleaned and a oem kit in it, does anyone know wherre the meterig level should be, does it finish flush with the carb body.
 

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I will get it cleaned and a oem kit in it, does anyone know wherre the meterig level should be, does it finish flush with the carb body.
If it's a WT it should be below the body, even with the top of the depression it sits in.
 
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