The new 70cc ECHO saw

[Woodpecker]

Cant wait to see this one after @Red97 gets his booger pickers on it.

 

[Clemsonfor]

Yes I seen one at their demo day at the local dealer. I was just as unimpressed with the 4510 as I was impressed with the 2511. He said it was their ms251. It is heavy for a 45cc saw but it looked even bulkier. It looked as big as a 590. And that triangle starter cover should be illegal.

That pic it looks as big as a 590 to me

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[StephK87]

Yes I seen one at their demo day at the local dealer. I was just as unimpressed with the 4510 as I was impressed with the 2511. He said it was their ms251. It is heavy for a 45cc saw but it looked even bulkier. It looked as big as a 590. And that triangle starter cover should be illegal.

i had two of them on my bench in the last months, one in Echo colors and one in Shindaiwa colors. It is more like a farmer/semi-pro saw, a little bit big and bulky with a clamshell design engine. In this price class it can't touch a 5105 dolmar or a 545 in terms of performance.

 

[kingOFgEEEks]

i had two of them on my bench in the last months, one in Echo colors and one in Shindaiwa colors. It is more like a farmer/semi-pro saw, a little bit big and bulky with a clamshell design engine. In this price class it can't touch a 5105 dolmar or a 545 in terms of performance.

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That air box is huge.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but do you have a filter pic?

 

[StephK87]

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[RI Chevy]

That air box is huge.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but do you have a filter pic?

BE CAREFUL! Your next on the chopping block.

 

[longleaf]

The only problem I can see with it Mike is it weighs more than the 50cc 490/501. Nice looking saw otherwise.

Yeah why would you make a 45cc homeowner saw that weighs more than your 50 cc homeowner saw? Wonder if the price point is much different between the 490 and 4510

 

[Woodpecker]

Yeah why would you make a 45cc homeowner saw that weighs more than your 50 cc homeowner saw? Wonder if the price point is much different between the 490 and 4510

20 bucks difference between the 2.
https://www.echo-usa.com/Products/Chain-Saws/

 

[Piston Skirt]

i had two of them on my bench in the last months, one in Echo colors and one in Shindaiwa colors. It is more like a farmer/semi-pro saw, a little bit big and bulky with a clamshell design engine. In this price class it can't touch a 5105 dolmar or a 545 in terms of performance.

It's made to touch 251 and 445 and it overtouches them both in many aspects including power/weight ratio, AV softness etc. As for pure cutting versatility I find acceleration and torque curve better than 490. And triangle shapes remind of how sharp the plastics are so it's easier to stay careful. Sometimes if the branch is too small I don't see a reason to start the engine - I just show it to the tree and the sharpness of the plastics do their job.

 

[CR888]

Echo needs to get competitive with the bulk & weight on their saws. 'Some' they hit the nail right on the head and are as good/better than other makes but they got to stop putting 55/60/70cc cylinders in chassis sizes way too big. Get the 590/620 series and make it 80cc's & you have a somewhat a saw one would want to own.

 

[Woodpecker]

It's made to touch 251 and 445 and it overtouches them both in many aspects including power/weight ratio, AV softness etc. As for pure cutting versatility I find acceleration and torque curve better than 490. And triangle shapes remind of how sharp the plastics are so it's easier to stay careful. Sometimes if the branch is too small I don't see a reason to start the engine - I just show it to the tree and the sharpness of the plastics do their job.

I raffed

 

[Piston Skirt]

Echo needs to get competitive with the bulk & weight on their saws. 'Some' they hit the nail right on the head and are as good/better than other makes but they got to stop putting 55/60/70cc cylinders in chassis sizes way too big. Get the 590/620 series and make it 80cc's & you have a somewhat a saw one would want to own.

It's a common thing but let's analyze generally (also note it comes with easy starts and other weight-gaining stuff) :
2511- lightest
310- lightest
352- lightest
370- well, sorry. At least good feature package and relatively huge stroke and outcoming torque
420 (400 in US) yep, sorry again though it's survivable 200grams from H440
390-very light, long stroke, it's unavailable in US
4510- lightest per power
490- lightest 50cc before 501 was released
501- lightest 50cc
590- decent weight if you compare with what it was made to compete with
620- lighter with both dogs than now 562xp with recent aluminum crankcase which probably stopped falling apart
And so on...

Basically this all "very heavy" comes mostly from certain guy who once upon a time heard somewhere in northern country that ECHO produce less power (= less torque on ~10k RPMs) without having a clue how they cut with higher load and after run-in. Don't get caught - it's generally misleading

 

[Homelite750]

I wonder if they are using the engine out of the Csg-7410. When we got a shipment of the 7410's I figured there would be a 70cc saw coming soon.

 

[Piston Skirt]

I wonder if they are using the engine out of the Csg-7410. When we got a shipment of the 7410's I figured there would be a 70cc saw coming soon.

Highly doubtful they have anything in common. Ignition is in opposite side, means every part there is different. Cylinder and inlets on the cutter don't seem to be strato - which is probably impossible for a saw revving range engine vs emissions requirements now and after 2023. This means piston is different too. Crankcases will obviously have nothing in common so this leaves us with only few possible common parts. Darn, even plastics are smooth on the cutter so it can't have anything common with and ECHO saw

 

[dahmer]

Talked to Nate today about this saw. He hasn’t gotten any info from Echo about it yet but when they become available I get the second one he can get, first one is his.

 

[dahmer]

@Red97, if I get one before you and send it your way for porting do you think we could work a deal? Say I’m not in a big hurry to get it back while you dissect it for your memory banks.

 

[Red97]

@Red97, if I get one before you and send it your way for porting do you think we could work a deal? Say I’m not in a big hurry to get it back while you dissect it for your memory banks.

I'm sure something could be worked out.

 

[00wyk]

It's a common thing but let's analyze generally (also note it comes with easy starts and other weight-gaining stuff) :
2511- lightest
310- lightest
352- lightest
370- well, sorry. At least good feature package and relatively huge stroke and outcoming torque
420 (400 in US) yep, sorry again though it's survivable 200grams from H440
390-very light, long stroke, it's unavailable in US
4510- lightest per power
490- lightest 50cc before 501 was released
501- lightest 50cc
590- decent weight if you compare with what it was made to compete with
620- lighter with both dogs than now 562xp with recent aluminum crankcase which probably stopped falling apart
And so on...

Basically this all "very heavy" comes mostly from certain guy who once upon a time heard somewhere in northern country that ECHO produce less power (= less torque on ~10k RPMs) without having a clue how they cut with higher load and after run-in. Don't get caught - it's generally misleading

Pardon the derail, but do you know what the bore and stroke are on the 390ESX? I did notice it doesn't wind up like a 360 will.
I doubt the 390, (which was released in 2013! as a SHindaiwa) will ever come to the US. It's not a cheap saw at all. It's the USD equiv of nearly $500, and I have seen it often retail far higher. It's basically just a minituarised 452S. I think it's worth every penny, tho. Very strong for it's size(especially with the cat removed), and very small for it's size

 

[CR888]

I had a new echo CS-550p which is a pro grade saw. It was 55cc's & similar size/weight to my 7900 & 681. I ain't going off what I 'heard' or 'read' just first hand experience owning/running the saw. There were some great things about it like walbro felt filters and top grade components, it was built really well, just WAY to heavy and large for a 55cc Pro-saw. I like/run most makes I'm no cheerleeder for any brand. I even like Echo and mentioned they hit the nail on the head on 'some' models.

 

[00wyk]

I had a new echo CS-550p which is a pro grade saw. It was 55cc's & similar size/weight to my 7900 & 681. I ain't going off what I 'heard' or 'read' just first hand experience owning/running the saw. There were some great things about it like walbro felt filters and top grade components, it was built really well, just WAY to heavy and large for a 55cc Pro-saw. I like/run most makes I'm no cheerleeder for any brand. I even like Echo and mentioned they hit the nail on the head on 'some' models.

Was that 550P significantly heavier than a 590?