Stihl 036 - CAD struck again...

[Black Dog Chainsaw]

Saw it on local CL cheap and picked it up. Want to know what you guys think on this specific case...

Saw looks pretty clean right??? Kid said it was his dad's and it just didn't want to run once it was "hot/warmed up." I pulled the rope a couple times and it fired off so I thought what the heck... It's cheap...

Found the problem...

So before I find the scoring I ran it for 30-45 sec with fresh fuel and tuned carb 1-1 turns out. I'm sure it was scored before this. Runs and idles nice even scored. So I'm guessing it gets hot and looses compression due to scoring.

Looking at cylinder it's a clean OEM. Look at intake neck... Looks brand new! Another hint is that he didn't have a t27 in his big shop with giant tool cases but the muffler cover bolts were in wrong location and one was MIA. So guessing he knew it was scored. No biggie, not hating for the price I got it at.

My question remains can the original cylinder be that clean all these years later or did they try to swap the original cylinder with another OEM one and score it again??? Maybe if they swapped it already that's why it looks so clean????

Intake and impulse look pretty newish too but I guess this could all be b/c the saw is so low hour...???

Discuss...

 

[Time's Standing Stihl]

Looks like he played you like a fiddle! In all serious, my guess is somebody knew what was going on and wanted to punt it.

I'll still give you what you got in it!

How bad is the cylinder? Will it clean up? Tough to tell on a phone if there are any deep grooves or if it's just light scoring

 

[Black Dog Chainsaw]

Looks like he played you like a fiddle! In all serious, my guess is somebody knew what was going on and wanted to punt it.

I'll still give you what you got in it!

How bad is the cylinder? Will it clean up? Tough to tell on a phone if there are any deep grooves or if it's just light scoring

Real light, easy clean up.

 

[cgraham1]

Saw it on local CL cheap and picked it up. Want to know what you guys think on this specific case... can the original cylinder be that clean all these years later or did they try to swap the original cylinder with another OEM one and score it again??? Maybe if they swapped it already that's why it looks so clean????

Discuss...

Theres really no way to know what's been done to a used saw.

Clean it up. Even with some light scratches it will still run. Find the air leak and fix that while you're at it.

 

[Frogfarmer]

Looks like a good fixer upper. I have seen a bunch of 036 saws with scored cyls. I would say its very possible it could be that clean. Research how to clean the transfer from the cylinder and get a new piston. I would suggest Meteor or OEM. Tune it rich and make sure it doesn't go lean in the cut.

 

[MustangMike]

Nice looking saw.

 

[drf256]

The saw looks right to me.

Many of the later KS and "Stihl" marked jugs on the MS series have that Bright Aluminum look that doesn't stain easily. The aluminum is a bit harder and less porous. This is at least what I've found.

Like Clint said, look for an air leak before you fire it up. I'd pull that boot and line to cheap I as well. Change the fuel filter.

A lot of lean scored saws I've had were just fine with no air leak. I suspect a lot of people don't know that they should 4 stroke to be tuned correctly And tune them to scream.

 

[lwhaples]

Cheap is good,but knowing me. I'd more than likely pay too much just to own it. I have one that I ported and really like the saw in general.

 

[Backtroller]

The saw looks right to me.

Many of the later KS and "Stihl" marked jugs on the MS series have that Bright Aluminum look that doesn't stain easily. The aluminum is a bit harder and less porous. This is at least what I've found.

Like Clint said, look for an air leak before you fire it up. I'd pull that boot and line to cheap I as well. Change the fuel filter.

A lot of lean scored saws I've had were just fine with no air leak. I suspect a lot of people don't know that they should 4 stroke to be tuned correctly And tune them to scream.

That's how the KS cylinder looked on my 034. Super shiny and "newer" looking than any of the Mahle cylinders I have had.

 

[Mark71gtx]

It could have been replaced and then cooked again because they didn't fix the cause, just the damage.

 

[Black Dog Chainsaw]

Not wet behind the ears here guys... I have a foredom with a split mandrel to clean the transfer and I already have a meteor sitting on the shelf for it. I'll toss on new oil seals, fuel lines and filter before it finds a new home. Might even toss on set of inner/outer dogs for "looks".

Thanks for the opinions on the cylinder. I fully planned on re-sealing the saw just to cover the bases... Just haven't run into a cylinder this "clean and shinny" on a saw this old before, and I have been through more than my fair share of saws. I'm going to guess that I have been through more than Miller but less than Master-Monkey. Plus I like to make posts with pictures... Honestly who doesn't like looking at pictures and conjecturing about the problems???

 

[Black Dog Chainsaw]

Theres really no way to know what's been done to a used saw.

Clean it up. Even with some light scratches it will still run. Find the air leak and fix that while you're at it.

Keep in mind it could have been strait gas and not an air leak. The saw didn't surge rpms at idle cold or hot. Indicates to me someone put bad gas in it and roached the cylinder. I know not all saws have rpm surges when they get an air leak but it's a really good indicator.

A lot of lean scored saws I've had were just fine with no air leak. I suspect a lot of people don't know that they should 4 stroke to be tuned correctly And tune them to scream.

I know... nobody knows how to tune by ear anymore either. This particular saw had it limiters on the Zama still. After I clipped them it was about at 1/3 out on "L" and just under 3/4 out on "H." I clipped the plastic limiter tabs off with my pocket knife and set both to 1 full turn out before starting it. They had one of the 24-27mm long screws from the bottom of the muffler in the top hole. LOL!!! Found one of the shorty 5-7mm long screws in my parts tray and put all the bolts back where they were supposed to go. You can also see in the 2nd pic there wasn't a black screw driver guide in the air filter cover... Somehow one magically appears in pic 3...


I didn't see the KS ($ looking) symbol or Mahle name on the cylinder so i'm not sure which jug it is right now. Also did anyone notice that there isn't a inset spot on the cylinder cover for a 036/360 name tag? I've only seen a few like this one with no 036/360 makings on it anywhere.

Lastly... What...?????? No muffler mod suggestions? LOL!!!

 

[Backtroller]

Aftermarket cylinder cover? But it has the factory looking chain brake sticker on it...interesting. Hard to tell from a cell phone sized pic

 

[Black Dog Chainsaw]

Aftermarket cylinder cover? But it has the factory looking chain brake sticker on it...interesting. Hard to tell from a cell phone sized pic

No, I think there may have been a short time between the end of the 036 run and the beginning of the 360 run where these saws didnt get badges like eariler 036's and later 360's. I was just looking at pics online.

My sticker on the rear handle says 036 which tracks correctly with the square stihl badge on the recoil instead of a round ms360 like below.

Stihl 360 pro flat-top cylinder cover w/ decomp (same top covers as mine).

 

[Duane(Pa)]

Not wet behind the ears here guys... I have a foredom with a split mandrel to clean the transfer and I already have a meteor sitting on the shelf for it. I'll toss on new oil seals, fuel lines and filter before it finds a new home. Might even toss on set of inner/outer dogs for "looks".

Thanks for the opinions on the cylinder. I fully planned on re-sealing the saw just to cover the bases... Just haven't run into a cylinder this "clean and shinny" on a saw this old before, and I have been through more than my fair share of saws. I'm going to guess that I have been through more than Miller but less than Master-Monkey. Plus I like to make posts with pictures... Honestly who doesn't like looking at pictures and conjecturing about the problems???

There is a definite look about those jugs. I bought a used saw on AS and really thought the jug looked too new to be as described. I asked some questions and even heard that some of them had a different "look". I quit worrying and put it in some wood. BOOM it became one of my most prized firewood saws. I just love that thing. Here's my MM with a husky deflector and screen.

 

[Black Dog Chainsaw]

There is a definite look about those jugs. I bought a used saw on AS and really thought the jug looked too new to be as described. I asked some questions and even heard that some of them had a different "look". I quit worrying and put it in some wood. BOOM it became one of my most prized firewood saws. I just love that thing. Here's my MM with a husky deflector and screen.
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Thanks. This saw is probably going to my little brother this weekend. So I will probably just increase the size of the original outlet with my Foredom and call it good.

 

[lwhaples]

Lucky brother!

 

[Time's Standing Stihl]

Thanks. This saw is probably going to my little brother this weekend.

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[Black Dog Chainsaw]

[emoji22]

Quit crying. I have another one if you decide you need an 036.