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Hello,
I'm new to this forum;
I have a Stihl MS 201 TC that doesn't want to start anymore. No spark on the spark plug. I already change the spark plug and checked the stop switch and the harness visually. no defect. My ignition coil is 11 45 4700 and the solenoid valve is Black.
Someone would have the workshop manual for this model, please.
Thank you in advance.
 

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Hello,
I'm new to this forum;
I have a Stihl MS 201 TC that doesn't want to start anymore. No spark on the spark plug. I already change the spark plug and checked the stop switch and the harness visually. no defect. My ignition coil is 11 45 4700 and the solenoid valve is Black.
Someone would have the workshop manual for this model, please.
Thank you in advance.
Check your inbox.
 

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Hello, I just looked carefully at the workshop manual and the spare parts catalog you sent me and it does not correspond to my model.
I think I have the latest evolution of the MS201TC.
On the launcher housing, it indicates MS201TC but I brought out the purchase invoice and the user manual and it is indicated MS201TC-M.
It seems to mean MOTRONIC.
So, I reiterate my request for the workshop manual and the spare parts manual for the MS201TC-M.
Thank you in advance.
 

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Hello, I just looked carefully at the workshop manual and the spare parts catalog you sent me and it does not correspond to my model.
I think I have the latest evolution of the MS201TC.
On the launcher housing, it indicates MS201TC but I brought out the purchase invoice and the user manual and it is indicated MS201TC-M.
It seems to mean MOTRONIC.
So, I reiterate my request for the workshop manual and the spare parts manual for the MS201TC-M.
Thank you in advance.
Check your inbox. Added the manuals to our previous conversation.
 

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Good evening Ray, I’m currently looking for the same repair manual. Thank you.
 

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Hi guys, I am having the same issue on exactly the same saw (same coil and black solenoid). Could you elaborate on what solved the issue for you? Many thanks kind regards!
 

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Hello,

Unfortunately, for the moment I have not yet found the failure.

I replaced in order.

The candle

The small solenoid valve of the carburetor

The complete wiring despite a correct test.

The original complete coil Stihl

And despite all this, nothing. No spark. I disassembled the magnetic wheel. The integrated key is in condition. The gape of the coil is adjusted correctly.

All I have to do is change the magnetic wheel. I noticed that on it, N and S are indicated which could indicate a double polarization of the wheel. With 2 inverted magnets. Just to complicate the system.

If I bring a metal element together, there is only one attraction but not the other way around.

Maybe one of the two magnets is HS.

It's just a hypothesis.

If someone has another idea.

Thanks

Have a good day.
 

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Hi guys, I am having the same issue on exactly the same saw (same coil and black solenoid). Could you elaborate on what solved the issue for you? Many thanks kind regards!
Check your inbox for manuals.
 

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Hello,
While searching the forum, I found a thread that seems interesting. On the 261 TC-M, problems also exist. It seems that the electronic system is well powered by 2 reverse polarized magnets on the flywheel. One of the 2 powers the coil that will generate the high voltage spark and the other is used for engine management and power supply of the CPU integrated into the coil. It is a real on-board computer that is in the coil. If you want to read all this, the thread is 15 pages long and it's very informative. For my problem, I still don't have an ignition and I'm thinking of heading towards the installation of a complete kit 1145 007 1802 that removes cough and comes back to having an MS 200 in my hands. What I want is a machine that always starts, and not a very sophisticated machine that is broken. My 020 T which at 26 years old, works perfectly and always starts immediately. I regret having bought this 201 TC-M.


Here is an interesting paragraph

The entire system is charged by way of the flywheel.
This is a Magneto type system. The magnets on the flywheel transfer energy to the pickups on the coil pack (this is why the spacing between the coil and flywheel must be very close).
Next the energy is transferred to the larger of the 2 coils within the coil pack.
From the lager internal coil, the energy (voltage) passes thru (in simple terms) to the smaller coil and the voltage is raised high enough to fire a spark plug (somewhere between 5 and 10 thousand volts the last time I checked).

As the flywheel rotates, and the piston hit TDC, there is another pickup on the coil pack that when triggered allows the coil pack to now Fire the sparkplug.

By modifying the key between the flywheel and crank, you are moving the trigger point that the second pickup is seeing, there-by resulting in the advancement of timing you are seeing in your other modified saw builds.

The M-Tronic has the ability (internally) to Delay or Advance the firing of the sparkplug as it monitors the second pickup and logically deciding when to fire.

Now, because the coil pack is storing energy (voltage) created by the Magneto, the M-Tronic coil (internally) uses some of this power to supply power for the built in logic. This is not new. All single unit electronic ignitions have been using part of the power for internal logic. The M-Tronic is just using more of it to supply power to external sensors, coils, etc....

For my part, I continue my research. Have a good day
 

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Check your inbox for manuals.
Hello Ray,

I'm currently also looking for the service manuals for the MS 201 TC M-tronic version. Is it at all possible to forward me the links in a personal email?
Thanks,
Moonbeemer
 

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Hello Ray,

I'm currently also looking for the service manuals for the MS 201 TC M-tronic version. Is it at all possible to forward me the links in a personal email?
Thanks,
Moonbeemer
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Hello,

Unfortunately, for the moment I have not yet found the failure.

I replaced in order.

The candle

The small solenoid valve of the carburetor

The complete wiring despite a correct test.

The original complete coil Stihl

And despite all this, nothing. No spark. I disassembled the magnetic wheel. The integrated key is in condition. The gape of the coil is adjusted correctly.

All I have to do is change the magnetic wheel. I noticed that on it, N and S are indicated which could indicate a double polarization of the wheel. With 2 inverted magnets. Just to complicate the system.

If I bring a metal element together, there is only one attraction but not the other way around.

Maybe one of the two magnets is HS.

It's just a hypothesis.

If someone has another idea.

Thanks

Have a good day.
Hello, I'm having the same issue here with my MS 201 TC-M saw, no spark.

I pulled it out a couple of nights ago check it out before listing it for sale and I was trying to fire it up and it started a few times but it wouldn't stay running after that. I almost killed myself pulling on it, I'm still sore, LOL! So I brought it inside to start checking it out and there's no spark. Checked all the usual stuff, made sure spark plug was good and tried another known-good one. Then checked for spark using the Echo PET-4000 spark tester, no spark (regardless of spark plug). The wiring harness all looked good visually. My thoughts turned to the ignition module and the fuel solenoid but I could see that it was getting fuel.

So I hooked it up to my Stihl MDG1 diagnostic tool and everything checked out, all the electronics and the throttle trigger and its positions. Fuel solenoid tested okay as well. Continued to pulling the starter cord and it wasn't detecting that so tried the Factory Reset option. At some point it said to fire up the saw so I figured what the hell I'll yank on it and sure as *s-worde it fired up here in the kitchen! So I let it run for a bit and then stepped outside after disconnecting the diagnostic unit. Let it run for a minute and that's where I'm at now. Going to put the bar and chain back on it today and I'll try firing it up and see what happens...
 

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Hello, I'm having the same issue here with my MS 201 TC-M saw, no spark.

I pulled it out a couple of nights ago check it out before listing it for sale and I was trying to fire it up and it started a few times but it wouldn't stay running after that. I almost killed myself pulling on it, I'm still sore, LOL! So I brought it inside to start checking it out and there's no spark. Checked all the usual stuff, made sure spark plug was good and tried another known-good one. Then checked for spark using the Echo PET-4000 spark tester, no spark (regardless of spark plug). The wiring harness all looked good visually. My thoughts turned to the ignition module and the fuel solenoid but I could see that it was getting fuel.

So I hooked it up to my Stihl MDG1 diagnostic tool and everything checked out, all the electronics and the throttle trigger and its positions. Fuel solenoid tested okay as well. Continued to pulling the starter cord and it wasn't detecting that so tried the Factory Reset option. At some point it said to fire up the saw so I figured what the hell I'll yank on it and sure as *s-worde it fired up here in the kitchen! So I let it run for a bit and then stepped outside after disconnecting the diagnostic unit. Let it run for a minute and that's where I'm at now. Going to put the bar and chain back on it today and I'll try firing it up and see what happens...
Update:

Put the bar and chain on and took it outside and I'm back to Square One, same thing as before. Fired it up in the start position, let it run like that for a short bit, kicked it off to the run position and gave it some throttle, at which point it bogged and stalled out and wouldn't start again. I think I might remove the carb next and take it apart and check it and maybe run it through the ultrasonic cleaner. It might be a fuel issue but what's strange is that there was no spark at all when I first checked it, unless maybe the MTronic system senses a fuel issue and shuts the coil down? Just speculating on that, I don't know enough about it to know if that's a possibility...
 
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