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Research paper about plastic bearing cages (polyamide) and…. oils (another oil thread?🤦‍♂️)

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There seems to be a substantial negative impact on polyamide’s physical properties (after a relatively short soak in polyalphaolefin -PAO- oil as compared to a polyol ester -POE- oil.)

Research article in question

Figure 5 and 6 specifically, the tensile strength of the polyamide seems to suffer when in contact with a PAO oil, especially at 120 C, which is a temperature that the clutch side bearing could attain.
Quote “It is evident from these curves that the specimens in contact with PAO experienced a greater reduction in elasticity, with the specimens at 120 °C even fracturing before undergoing plastic deformation.”

This might be significant considering the main reason why these are used over a steel cage is its resistance to cracking and impact resistance, and no issues with shearing/fatigue as its the case with a metal cage. (The purpose of the study is for unserviceable bearings for electric cars, where lifespan really matters).

What do you guys think, seems like a good reason to avoid pao oils in these modern saws. Could the people that had these bearings fail in their saws be due to using an incompatible oil? Either way, as its stated in the conclusion of the research, this is just a test with the base oils. The additives might influence these interactions in all kinds of different ways, so who really knows..

Link to an SKF article where the advantages and disadvantages of these plastic cages are explained better for anyone interested.
 

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Lean oil ratio with poor quality oil and or fuel. Most likely heat, (dull chain or lack of lubrication) second most likely air leak, third most likely straight gassed.

Cage failures are pretty uncommon and even rare in the roller bearing world. I suspect this is why SKF did a deep dive study into this matter. If you could actually catch one in a saw before it grenades (not likely) you could confirm or dispute their results.

Many saw builders seen their customers plastic cage issues go away by nothing more than a ratio change from 50:1 to 40:1. Conventional wisdom is the strato saw pistons are heavier, which really works the roller bearings over, especially running a lean ratio.

What this really confirms is don’t use plastic cage roller bearings if at all possible.
 
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