New Stihl ms 300

[bwalker]

I have some doubts. Stihl released a new non strato FI concrete saw not long ago.

Emmissions are not getting easier and thats a fact.

 

[sawmikaze]

Any guesses on what the cost of an ms 300 is gonna get to by the end of this thread ? I think the 500 made it to almost 4 grand before it was released. EEEEEEEE.

I bet it's in the neighborhood of what a 261 costs now...maybe 50-100 bucks more - Maybe.

How about the smell ?

 

[sawmikaze]

I also congratulate Stihl on coming up with a sensible model number system. 300, 400, 500i. So simple.

So what's the 462 replacement gonna be called?

 

[Reloaderguy]

Emmissions are not getting easier and thats a fact.

You stated the non strato FI is getting discontinued despite Stihl introducing new non strato FI products. It's possible the 500i will get refreshed with a strato top end but that seems odd considering the TS910i has been on the European market less than six months. Frankly, it seems like Stihl is finally expanding their FI products and they're the same designs as the 500i wood saw. To date, Stihl has three FI two stroke products, the MS500i is the oldest.

With that being said, it appears Stihl is only using FI in 70cc+ engines. I don't know if that's price point or emissions viability. It's a shame regardless, because I think it would be a great product.

 

[Seachaser]

So what's the 462 replacement gonna be called?

462i? 464i? 500i junior?

 

[sawmikaze]

462i? 464i? 500i junior?

Except it's not gonna have an i.

 

[bogieboy]

The 500i is a dirty saw and dirty saws are going away. Injected strato is the future.

500 isnt going anywhere any time soon.... dirty or not... they have enough "carbon credits" to keep the epa happy with both thier strato 2 stroke, 4 mix, and battery lines to offset a few non strato offerings like the 500 and ts910 and the like for a good long while...

 

[bogieboy]

Once you are cognizant of that its not a big deal. They are still a carb two stroke albeit with a solenoid controlling fuel flow.

To someone knowledgeable yes... to the knuckle dragging apes that climb trees, its a deteiment, because they will only bring the saw in when saw no worky... saw no worky from boot tear on a carbed saw is a new boot....on an mtron its a $4-500 repair by the time you jug and slug it because its all scoredfrom runni g lean as hell for a month while mtronic tried its hardest to keep it running full tilt...

 

[FederalQ]

An area Husqvarna dealer told me part of the deal if I bought an auto tune saw from him was to bring it in once a year and he checks the fueling parameters to see if it is compensating all the time due to a possible air leak.

 

[bwalker]

To someone knowledgeable yes... to the knuckle dragging apes that climb trees, its a deteiment, because they will only bring the saw in when saw no worky... saw no worky from boot tear on a carbed saw is a new boot....on an mtron its a $4-500 repair by the time you jug and slug it because its all scoredfrom runni g lean as hell for a month while mtronic tried its hardest to keep it running full tilt...

One other way to look at it is the auto tune gives the machine a chance. In the past a torn boot seized the saw typicaly. Keep in mind that Mtronic reaches limit fuel flow wise and then the same problems that manifest in a carbed saw happen.
I get what you are saying about ham fisted users though.

 

[MtnHaul]

An area Husqvarna dealer told me part of the deal if I bought an auto tune saw from him was to bring it in once a year and he checks the fueling parameters to see if it is compensating all the time due to a possible air leak.

That sounds like a great dealer and someone worth supporting.

 

[bogieboy]

One other way to look at it is the auto tune gives the machine a chance. In the past a torn boot seized the saw typicaly. Keep in mind that Mtronic reaches limit fuel flow wise and then the same problems that manifest in a carbed saw happen.
I get what you are saying about ham fisted users though.

In 10 years at a stihl shop, i have replaced many torn boots... out of all of them, only 1 mtronic saw had a piston worth running, (full disclosure, it was my ms661, and i immediately noticed the very slight rev hang and shut it down) because typically the piston was so scored that the saw stopped running, which is why it finally came into the shop.

I know all the pros and the cons, and lets just say me personally, if i need to buy a saw... i would be looking towards an 0xx series stihl before considering anything mtronic...

 

[2000ssm6]

Looking forward to see what the builders can get out of one.

I’ll have to buy a spare carbed 261 before they go kaput.

 

[bwalker]

In 10 years at a stihl shop, i have replaced many torn boots... out of all of them, only 1 mtronic saw had a piston worth running, (full disclosure, it was my ms661, and i immediately noticed the very slight rev hang and shut it down) because typically the piston was so scored that the saw stopped running, which is why it finally came into the shop.

I know all the pros and the cons, and lets just say me personally, if i need to buy a saw... i would be looking towards an 0xx series stihl before considering anything mtronic...

0XX series? You can admit you are just a Luddite...
And how many mtronic saws are still running even with air leaks because Mtronic has compensated? You aren't seeing those saws.

 

[sawmikaze]

Except it's not gonna have an i.

I'm rounding off here...I know I have to state that ahead of time before the women's auxiliary comes after me.

But if a 50cc 261 is now a 300

And a 60cc 362 in now gonna be the 400

And a 80cc saw is the 500

What can the 70cc replacement be ?

 

[WI_Hedgehog]

But if a 50cc 261 is now a 300
And a 60cc 362 in now gonna be the 400
And a 80cc saw is the 500
What can the 70cc replacement be ?

No Longer Available

 

[Bill G]

I also congratulate Stihl on coming up with a sensible model number system. 300, 400, 500i. So simple.

Well they had the 010, 020, 030, 040, 050, 070, and 090...................

 

[EFSM]

Well they had the 010, 020, 030, 040, 050, 070, and 090...................

maybe I should say reverting to a simpler system.

 

[Bill G]

Don't worry, about 10 years after Stihl stops producing them, @Bill G will still have several NIB 261s (probably mTronic and carb versions) in one of his shed/barns for sale. He seems to know what to squirrel away for later!

If I had just squirrelled away some new 090's................

 

[Bill G]

maybe I should say reverting to a simpler system.

They will never make it simple today but for many years Stihl had the most simple model numbering system of any saw manufacturer. They still have the most simple bar pattern of any saw company. I challenge anyone to find another saw company that from 1959 until today only has 3 bar mounts.