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[p61 western]

I will definitely be following this, I can't wait to see more. This is indeed a very rare and cool car.

 

[Magic_Man]

Will be a cool project.

 

[MustangMike]

My brother had a 69 Talladega 428 SCJ. The idiot used car salesman the previous owner bought it from told him it was a Canadian Torino!

They all had front bench seats, and only came in automatic, but it was a Type III auto (basically a wide ratio C-6), and it had that beautiful shotgun stainless dual exhaust.

He put an 800 double pumper Holley on it, and it would grab rubber when it went into 3rd at 90 MPH.

Was a real nice car. Was the first car that I remember did not make a lot of wind noise at highway speed, very unusual for back then.

You got a nice rare car there Lee, looking forward to seeing it when restored.

 

[bryanr2]

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[Adirondackstihl]

 

[MustangMike]

Nice, but not fast enough!

 

[TJ the Chainsaw Mechanic]

 

[Lightning Performance]

Factory or dealer built car? Drag packs are rare birds in big Fords. You seem to have chosen and found the the last big Ford that paid homage to the original 64' Pontiac goat muscle.

Does it have the tall tunnel port heads on it? Please show us the goods before you lock them away in a hidden vault.

 

[Lee H]

Ford factory produced the 429 SCJ drag pack Torinos and Cyclones.
Motor has the DOOE-R heads with huge intake ports. Also came with
solid lifter cam, 780 Holley, Square flange cast iron intake manifold.
4 bolt main block.
In 1971 the same drag pack engine option was available in the Mustang
but dropped from the Torino line up.
Since cams are no longer available i got in touch with Holman- Moody
and custom ground me the correct cam which is the same came used
in the early Boss 9's, Then the Boss 9's went to a hydraulic grind.

 

[MustangMike]

Lee, how long do you anticipate the restoration will take?

 

[Lee H]

I'm hoping no more than a year. All depends on the body guy.

 

[MustangMike]

You pulling the motor apart also?

I see he had slapper traction bars on it. When I put the 427 in the 70 Boss 302 body, I lost my first 3 races, then I put a set of slapper T bars on it, and did not loose any more! Also seemed to handle just fine with them, but for your restoration I imagine they will have to go.

I find it kinda cool the car was actually raced, what it was made for IMO!

Interesting that Ford made solid lifter versions of the 390, 406, 427 and 429, but to my knowledge, never the 428, even though that engine was used in "drag pack" Mustangs (had an engine oil cooler).

780 is a big carb, s/b about perfect for it. I think the largest offered on 428s was the 735.

 

[Lee H]

Ya Mike, The motor is apart. I just picked up the heads. All done with Stainless valves,
new springs, retainers and locks. Ready to go. The distributor is sent out and waiting
for it's return. Carb i sent out to Joe Bunetic and have it back. What a job he did. I will
take some pic's of it.
The traction bars will be history. It is kinda strange that Ford never offered a solid cam
in the 428's but did in all there other muscle motors including the Boss 302 and Boss 351.
The 429scj had more rpm's. Red lined at 6500 where the 428scj's were making there peak
power at lower rpm's. Just over 5000 if i remember correctly. Probably why the 429 got the
780 cfm carby.

 

[MustangMike]

All my FE Ford motors would go 6,800 RPM, but the 429 was a different kind of beast! Huge canted valves with huge ports, and a very over square engine with huge pistons. Heads were very similar to Boss 302, 351 C, and Boss 351.

I believe the Boss 302 had bigger ports & valves than my 427! The motor was designed to live at 8,000 RPM, which is why they shrank the valves and changed the cam in the 70 version (69 was larger). The Boss 351 was a very good performer, too bad the Mustang was getting heavy, and it's reign was so short.

I believe the 429 bore diameter was larger than a 454 or 440, and the stroke shorter than that of a 390. If memory serves me right, the stroke was only 3.59, barely longer than a 350/351.

 

[drf256]

Not a Ford guy here, just looking for some knowledge on the subject.

I thought that the 390/427/428 were FE motors and the 429 was a longer stroke engine related to the later 460?

I'm sure I'm wrong here. The FE motors are the ones with the tiny heads that only have half of the valve cover seat casting on them?

Just looking to learn.

Lee, that's a nice car.

 

[drf256]

Here's my resto

 

[Lee H]

Nice Vette, Yes the 428 is a FE motor with the valve cover covering part of the intake.
The 428 is more of a square motor with it's 4.130 bore and 3.98 stroke. The 429 has
a 4.360 bore and a short stroke of 3.59. The 460 got a crank change to 3.85 stroke.
The Chevy 427 and 454 had a bore of 4.250. Not sure on the 440.

 

[exSW]

. Not sure on the 440.

I got three of them and I can't remember. One of the bigger things that made the Chrysler bb so strong was the crank set up in the block making it stable at higher rpm thus no need for four bolt mains.

 

[MustangMike]

Nice Doc, I finally get to "see" the Vette (w/o the cover). A friend of mine has a very rare 68 w/327-365Hp. Very rare to have that engine in the "changed" body style. (the went to 350s)

Doc, you got everything right except the long stoke, just the opposite. In fact, they needed a long block (front to back) to accommodate the large bore. As Lee points out, 460 had the same bore, and still a relatively short stoke. The motor was actually designed by a former GM guy that Ford brought over.

Putting an aluminum intake on an FE Ford motor saved about 70 or 80 lbs of weight, the intakes on em were that big!

One of my biggest races when I put the 427 in the 70 Boss body was against a guy with a really built 440 in a 67 Satellite. The car had custom paint, and was gorgeous. White, with sparkles, and Blue ribbons that changed in shade. He had a lot more money in his car than I did, but I managed to out drive him and win.

My car was built on a shoestring budget. Got the 427 short block when I was up at college for $300, and the pristine 70 Boss body (the engine had spun a bearing for the 2nd time) for $800. Anther guy was trying to sell me a 56 T-Bird with a removable port hole roof for $900, but I did not go for it cause it was an auto! That is what it was like in the mid 70s. Wish I had a lot of money and a large barn or garage. I had neither!

 

[sawfun]

Nice Vette, Yes the 428 is a FE motor with the valve cover covering part of the intake.
The 428 is more of a square motor with it's 4.130 bore and 3.98 stroke. The 429 has
a 4.360 bore and a short stroke of 3.59. The 460 got a crank change to 3.85 stroke.
The Chevy 427 and 454 had a bore of 4.250. Not sure on the 440.

Lee, could you please post some pictures of the intake ports on those heads.