MS 462 latest from BC West Coast.

[~WBF]

I made a call the other day to long time friend and fab/ saw builer/ shop owner in the Fraser Valley. The ones guys have put falling wraps on have been breaking cases at the front? No issues without wraps?
Sounds like they are still having an issue getting fallers wraps (likely that's add ons only) so maybe they were getting a full wrap around and that was part off the issue? I can't understand the connection if it was a 3/4 wrap unless they are getting clipped? The ol' stuck, spit and butt kicked treatment. Common in Cedar country when they grow in doubles and snags.

The conversation was going quick...Have to call him up again and maybe a can grasp a better understanding.

Looks like the case does wrap around the bar on the front which shouldn't relate to a 3/4 wrap being the cause as far as I can tell?
failure (light cases) is the word.



And so castles made of sand..
Slip into the sea
Eeee-ventually

 

[huskyboy]

Maybe breaking where the limiter is on the cases?

 

[friendlywithbears]

I'm interested. Been working mine hard out here on the Olympic peninsula, finally got a wrap put on about a month ago, hard to tell how it would make things worse.

Keep us posted.

 

[~WBF]

Maybe breaking where the limiter is on the cases?

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Is that in where the handle structure wraps under the saw at the front somewhere? I've seen the upper spring mount break at it's aluminium screw on mount set up where it mounts ahead of the handle bar on the outside. Not too big of a deal if you like the saw enough. Keep extras on hand.

 

[friendlywithbears]

The av in generally starts feeling pretty soft on this saw. Nice for handling, a little concerned for longevity.

 

[huskyboy]

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Is that in where the handle structure wraps under the saw at the front somewhere? I've seen the upper spring mount break at it's aluminium screw on mount set up where it mounts ahead of the handle bar on the outside. Not too big of a deal if you like the saw enough. Keep extras on hand.

I think so, it’s a piece of the tank handle that goes into the cases with a rubbery sponge isolation thingy wrapped around it. There’s also a limiter pin that goes from handlebar into near where the cylinder fins are. There’s a circle in the case where the pin goes into.

 

[Brush Ape]

Look a golden winged ship is passing my way. And it really didn't have to stop. It just kept on.....going.

 

[~WBF]

I think so, it’s a piece of the tank handle that goes into the cases with a rubbery sponge isolation thingy wrapped around it. There’s also a limiter pin that goes from handlebar into near where the cylinder fins are. There’s a circle in the case where the pin goes into.

OK. Right, usually lots of side bumpers and back and forth travel limiters I remember the circle travel limiter on the 576 and also 572 has one on it I noticed. The 372 has the moulded circle in the tank and the pin off the case if I remember right. Some models have rubber bumpers too.
Sometimes I would take them off once you tweaked it. Them bumpers are for you first mistake. They are like an air bag.
If you don't replace springs then you had to take a bumper off. Yes the 462 has the wire in the spring so it can't overstretch in length to the opposite side.

Maybe it was something superficial with the case from the limiter. IDK? I find out.

 

[~WBF]

Look a golden winged ship is passing my way. And it really didn't have to stop. It just kept on.....going.

..."and I really didn't how to stop [kept on going]
...And so castles made of sand fell into the sea... Eventually


Hey what's going on friend? "Been a long time been a long time been a lonely lonely lonely long time"

[/QUOTE]

 

[XP_Slinger]

Are there stiffer springs available for the 462? Just a thought, might help if the issue is over flex.

 

[dall]

a sharp chain would probably fix the problem

 

[XP_Slinger]

a sharp chain would probably fix the problem

It’s always the chain

 

[mikerudder]

I made a call the other day to long time friend and fab/ saw builer/ shop owner in the Fraser Valley. The ones guys have put falling wraps on have been breaking cases at the front? No issues without wraps?
Sounds like they are still having an issue getting fallers wraps (likely that's add ons only) so maybe they were getting a full wrap around and that was part off the issue? I can't understand the connection if it was a 3/4 wrap unless they are getting clipped? The ol' stuck, spit and butt kicked treatment. Common in Cedar country when they grow in doubles and snags.

The conversation was going quick...Have to call him up again and maybe a can grasp a better understanding.

Looks like the case does wrap around the bar on the front which shouldn't relate to a 3/4 wrap being the cause as far as I can tell?
failure (light cases) is the word.



And so castles made of sand..
Slip into the sea
Eeee-ventually

What shop in the Fraser Valley?
I live out there!

 

[TreeLife]

Probably breaking the limiter pockets. Gorillas yanking on them with long bars I'd imagine.

 

[TreeLife]

a sharp chain would probably fix the problem

The conversation you and I just had would be a great addition to this thread...

The sum of which, essentially is that the saws maximum bar length spec has alot to do with the saws av system design. Operating beyond it, putting larger spikes on the saw and changing the position of the fulcrum, and being ham fisted with or without a sharp chain...the saw is bound to have some failure.

Some questioned the weight of the saw giving up durability, I dont feel that's the case. I feel the end user is responsible for that, regardless of brand.

 

[CLEARCUT]

I don’t know what you guys are talking about. This thing handles a 50 with authority! Lol

 

[rocketnorton]

What shop in the Fraser Valley?
I live out there!

there's prospect in mission, cascade in chwk.
dunno any others. both got some old stuff to look see, tho.
riggers in hope used to be a good place, too. heard theyre not in saw biz anymore - dunno - havent been in while.

 

[XP_Slinger]

Some questioned the weight of the saw giving up durability, I dont feel that's the case. I feel the end user is responsible for that, regardless of brand.

Abso-freaking-lutely. A fact that some will never acknowledge.

 

[TreeLife]

Abso-freaking-lutely. A fact that some will never acknowledge.

Sometimes there are bad designs, I dont feel there are many out there currently.

 

[~WBF]

What shop in the Fraser Valley?
I live out there!

private shop now. He owned A1 sales & services in New Westminster for 15 yrs though. He's operated out of Abby & Mission for the last 10 yrs.