Let’s Talk 404

[RandyMac]

Big saw chain 6 cubes or better, although it was standard for the 80cc class for decades.
The heavier chassis takes the strain of big inch saws with long bars.

 

[Dub11]

Well I know it's not entirely recamended but I run 404 on my super pro 81 because honestly it hasn't seem to give 2 *s-words so far but I also just bought a thing called a rocket sprocket. ... oversized rim sprocket and a 404 roller nose bar for it. But it's the only thing I am really willing to run on my stihl 051 mag. Just works nicer. But also if my memory serves me right doesn't carlton make 404 pitch as well. But does anyone know a good place to get the 404 bars at. Other than ebay

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[Cat 525]

Wider kerf on 404 causes more kickback when plunge or bore cutting. But really tough chain to beat for longetivity!

 

[Homemade]

So, would it be advantageous to run .404 in smaller bar lengths, provided the saw can pull the bigger cutter, to achieve a longer life on the cutter sharpening.

 

[Nighthunter]

So I ordered a 880 that came stock 404 and want to change it to 3/8, any reason I should stay 404

 

[mdavlee]

If you’re stumping it’s a wider kerf and easier to keep ion with wedges and not clog with chips

 

[RI Chevy]

.404 does stay sharper longer.

 

[Cat 525]

The cutters are bigger so you can sharpen more. They will last!

 

[Hedgerow]

So, would it be advantageous to run .404 in smaller bar lengths, provided the saw can pull the bigger cutter, to achieve a longer life on the cutter sharpening.

More suitable for bigger power heads and longer bars..
the idea is “forgiving operation” more than performance.

But yes, one could use .404 on a 20” bar and get the job done, slowly...

 

[Cat 525]

Yep. F you noodle with it you get more noodles!

 

[Homemade]

I’m just wondering, seeing how I have a 20” bar in .404 .058 husky large mount. Is it worth investing in a few loops of 404. Right now I have everything in 3/8 full chisel. I’m just hoping a 576 or 7900 will pull it ok. I wouldn’t see why not.

 

[Cat 525]

You should not have any trouble with those saws and a 20 inch bar.

 

[RI Chevy]

I would think, in the name of science, that a couple of loops of. 404 are in order.
Vids please. LOL

Definitely worth the try.

 

[Homemade]

I don’t own those saws currently and with my 288 needing a piston, I don’t have any large mount husky saws currently.
Well there is the solo 667 that would be a fair option at 69cc. But that needs a carb.

I was just thinking hypothetically if I were to find one of those saws in my price range.

 

[RI Chevy]

Ahh. I hear you. [emoji106]

 

[Lightning Performance]

I would think, in the name of science, that a couple of loops of. 404 are in order.
Vids please. LOL

Definitely worth the try.

Your 404 tests are coming. 83dl on a 28" bar. 7 and 8pin. You will be napping watching them mill. Cross cuts real fast just like 3/8 chisel and piles up the chips.

Two H chipper chains, one is skip and a loop of chisel skip that needs some love at the moment. The 117dl 404RS is so slow on my saw it is not worth testing.

 

[RI Chevy]

Good Kenny. I would only use 404 to cross cut. You'd lose to much milling with 404.
You making some vids?

 

[Wilhelm]

I’m just wondering, seeing how I have a 20” bar in .404 .058 husky large mount. Is it worth investing in a few loops of 404. Right now I have everything in 3/8 full chisel. I’m just hoping a 576 or 7900 will pull it ok. I wouldn’t see why not.

I would think, in the name of science, that a couple of loops of. 404 are in order.
Vids please. LOL

Definitely worth the try.

I am about to put some runtime on my new to me .404" 20" setup, maybe as soon as tomorrow.

I'm curious how it will compare to my 3/8" 20" setups.

I also got this today, I wanted to have a spare at hand.

 

[RI Chevy]

Nice Wilhelm. Seeing it's a Stihl, it should be good for a tenth faster in the cut! [emoji12]

Should allow you to cut longer between sharpenings. You have full chisel or semi chisel?

 

[Lightning Performance]

Good Kenny. I would only use 404 to cross cut. You'd lose to much milling with 404.
You making some vids?

Lose too much what? Bars, chains, cutters parts or wood?
LOL you know little of the mill grasshopper and I'm just learning.
No videos yet man. My cuts would make you puke.






I'm not looking to mill poker straight sprucepicks. Trust me, I mill *s-word most of you won't want to buck or even consider splitting/noodling without a saw.
There might be a video of my 28" 404 at the NY GTG. We cut those knotty cants with my saw and the neighbors. People filmed it. He had a 32"3/8 Dolmar and I had the 660 with 28" 404. We were both impressed with the speed of mine in dry pine. He had Dolmar round auto machine ground chisel about thirty degrees, regular perfect chain. I had semi Oregon H hand filed about twenty degrees. Both saws cut with ease. About a ten inch flitch was left after the cut. He also got a few 2x6 boards. The saws worked a bit in the bigger 24" logs. I ran five or six tanks. Zero work but my prefilter cover swap. He had to sharpen or swap loops and adjust again.

I tested my 3/8" 050 36"wn on the mill yesterday. It needs the groove pinched or re-ground to 063. The chain is all over the place. Same problem with another one of the 28"050, old wide nose. Going back to running 404 28" with a new type of nose mount on the mill. 23" wide cut with a 28" bar on the mill.
Post and beams don't care about the width of kerf although today I will be slabbing with it. I have an eight foot red oak trunk here in 18"-24"at the flair, halved, to test on today with the 404. Mixed wood density throughout and ingrown knots.
If Left Coast ever gets those 48 lp bars back in stock it might be a big disappointment in mean figured wood like white oak or cherry. I'm quickly finding out in hardwoods with varying density in the wood, it will push the chain all over. Want to see the burn marks in my freshly belt sanded 3/8" 050 bars? Burnt black on one side from the chain being pushed over hitting wet dense wood with knots in it adjoining spalted and worm wood all in the same small section. I'll post pics today. It also jams the mill. It has cavitation burns on the bar.
This is the wood I prefer to mill with 404. Number one clear wood is easy to mill. Veneer grade is the easiest to slab. No one talks about any of these problems they just *b-word about wrecked equipment. Nothing worth while is ever easy. Adapt overcome. Story off my life.

I love 4OH4H GFY
Haters gona hate.
And I have Stihl rims just in case