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What??!? Those trees are still standing....is your saw broken? Do you need to borrow one?? :D
No we logged that 20 years ago and it will not be logged again in my lifetime other than dead removals. There are some dead Ash that need to come out but all Walnut and Oak need to stay as long as they are healthy.

Back in January 2022 my brother called me up and asked if I wanted to go grab some trees on my place as the skidder was home off a job and was not going out that day. I said yes that is fine come on over. He come tooling over with the skidder and it was bare ass naked. I chuckled and asked what the hell he thought we were going to do with a skidder with no iron on the tires. He just said ...ahh we will be fine. I laughed and said OK lets see the *s-word show. We proceeded down the bluff which is shown in one of the pics. I put a 24" dead Ash on the ground and my nephew backed up and grabbed it with the grapple.....walla the skidder would not budge it and just sat and spun. He dropped it and could not even make it up the first little incline on the bluff. In the end we had to pull cable out and winch the skidder out by anchoring it to other trees. At each flat spot then winch the Ash up. In the end when we got to the top my brother looks at me and says "Yeah I do not think we should get anymore today" I said no *s-word you need iron on those tires. He still did not listen and the following week he slid the skidder down a ravine on frozen ground. It ended up on it's top with four wheels in the air like a damn turtle on it's shell. After having to haul the excavator to the site for recovery and a lost day he decided it was time to put iron on the tires.

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Timing is everything with cut stump herbicides like Tordon for trees. In order to mitigate suckers (epicormic shoots) typically application ideally happens within 15-20 minutes of cutting the tree.
Be careful with Tordon. It will kill trees that have roots that touch. I made that mistake.
 
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Be careful with Tordon. It will kill trees that have roots that touch. I made that mistake.
Care should be taken with any conventional commercial herbicide/pesticide. Me personally I don’t use the stuff anymore. I let my applicator license expire many years ago.
 

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Well I will be a SOB I am not trying to hide anything with secondary IP address. I am not that bright and I am very basic. My ID is Bill G here, Bill G on AS, billg on the swede site, I think it was Bill G on HOH, Sawhawgs, Race saws and others when I went there. On the kart sites I had to use my full name.
Its normal to have several ip addresses.
 

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Care should be taken with any conventional commercial herbicide/pesticide. Me personally I don’t use the stuff anymore. I let my applicator license expire many years ago.
There is a ton of folks spraying herbicides and pesticides that have no business doing so. That is what gives parts of agriculture a bad name. The entire Dicamba drift issue is a classic example. There were a lot of issues from vapor drift that were due to piss poor application techniques. The same with Banvel in the 1980's. Anyone remember the Spike herbicide pellet issues? What a mess. About 1984 we had a huge issue with spider mites in the soybeans. Everyone was scrambling to get them sprayed late in the season. The method of application at the time was by airplane. I am not going to quote the name of the insecticide that was being used as I do not remember. By nature of how it worked it was supposed to be a very nasty smelling insecticide and could not be applied near residences or livestock. We were warned to stay out of the field for at least 24 hrs due to the fumes. Well me being an inquisitive person the night they sprayed here I wanted to see just how bad it smelled. Less than an hour after they sprayed the field there was zero odor present. . In fact I watched from the levee as the sprayed and never smelled anything. It was obvious to me that the company doing the spraying was very unscrupulous and was either spraying straight water or a very, very weak mix. My belief is there was such a demand for the insecticide they were having trouble getting it so they just screwed folks over to make a bunch of cash by spraying straight water a a heavily diluted solution.
 

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Be careful with Tordon. It will kill trees that have roots that touch. I made that mistake.
I have used Picloram (Tordon) for many years and never saw an issue with translocation until a couple years back. Honestly where I was using it I wanted everything dead so I did not pay much attention. Awhile back I started seeing some issues. I now believe their is a translocation problem with Picloram. I talked with Alligare a few weeks ago and they recommended Triclopyr-4 for cut stumps where you are concerned up killing nearby species. I am going to make a few more calls and get some additional opinions.
 

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I have used Picloram (Tordon) for many years and never saw an issue with translocation until a couple years back. Honestly where I was using it I wanted everything dead so I did not pay much attention. Awhile back I started seeing some issues. I now believe their is a translocation problem with Picloram. I talked with Alligare a few weeks ago and they recommended Triclopyr-4 for cut stumps where you are concerned up killing nearby species. I am going to make a few more calls and get some additional opinions.
Agree and the applicator license is the bare minimum requirement in my book too. For the record triclopyr is well regarded in the ROW industry for sensitive areas. Never used the stuff personally though.
 

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Agree and the applicator license is the bare minimum requirement in my book too. For the record triclopyr is well regarded in the ROW industry for sensitive areas. Never used the stuff personally though.
I spent around 2 hours this afternoon on the phone with weed scientists, and foresters from around Illinois and Iowa. They say Triclopyr is a good choice but since I have have a huge supply of Glyphosate that to use it 50/50 but to wait til August. That makes zero sense to me. The stumps need killed at cutting. It is like locking the barn door after the horse is in the next state.
 
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I spent around 2 hours this afternoon on the phone with weed scientists, and foresters from around Illinois and Iowa. They say Triclopyr is a good choice but since I have have a huge supply of Glyphosate that to use it 50/50 but to wait til August. That makes zero sense to me. The stumps need killed at cutting. It is like locking the barn door after the horse is in the next state.
If using glyphosate I’d apply when you cut. It will work now.
 

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You do know he’s still making movies right?
I pretty much gave up on movies when the kids and wife were gone. I have a old aluminum antennae to get ABC and NBC not CBS. No movies just a bunch of poop.
 

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I spent around 2 hours this afternoon on the phone with weed scientists, and foresters from around Illinois and Iowa. They say Triclopyr is a good choice but since I have have a huge supply of Glyphosate that to use it 50/50 but to wait til August. That makes zero sense to me. The stumps need killed at cutting. It is like locking the barn door after the horse is in the next state.
I’ve had good luck spraying full strength glyphosate mixed with diesel on stumps and girdled trees. Depends on time of year, but it works on everything except a few species of trees and vines.
 
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