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I've baked implement paint at 250 for a few hours and had good results.
 

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I've seen lower transfers almost plugged shut with goo that oozed. So yeah, very little is needed.

That's why I use Permatex 51813 ( = Loctite 518). Any stuff that oozes out stays liquid. Only the sealer squished between close-fitting metal pieces (& away from oxygen) will cure.
 

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21 thousand without the gasket or with gasket?
I measured it 7 thousand times, any where from 17 to 22 thousandths.

Did all around piston edge and at wrist pin Ares. As long as it was more than 15 thousandths I'm happy.

Let it set over night for the demons to escape, fueled, oiled and fired up, runs great , still need to run a couple tanks thru to get it perfect.

I'm happy!!!
 

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Oh yeah, no base gasket measured @21 thousandths.
 

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just measured a ms360 today and got .022.thats a first for a stihl for me.most are way too tight.i'll hopefully be testing this one out tomorrow evening.fingers crossed it'll be bad ass.doing the single ring treatment and dual port with this one too.
 

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Was looking thru the ms360 parts list, they have 2 cylinder gaskets, one is 1mm, one is .5 mm.

That is .040" and .020" in English, if I had that fatty on this saw the squish would be .061"!!! Way too much.

Finally cut with it today and it pulls really strong, buried 20" in dry oak.

I torque the clutch pretty tight, but no piss reving until I can sink it in wood with a fresh chain and try to bog the engine to crank that clutch tight.

This saw has sat in my buddies barn for years, he will be happy!!!
 

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yeah i mentioned the .5mm earlier.the one i just worked on was .037 with the gasket.the gaskets squish down some when the cylinder squishes down.
 

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That's the most important part Pete.
Glad yer keeping an eye on me, and now I see why each individual saw of same model needs individual measurements, seems to be a range of squish.
 

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just measured a ms360 today and got .022.thats a first for a stihl for me.most are way too tight.i'll hopefully be testing this one out tomorrow evening.fingers crossed it'll be bad ass.doing the single ring treatment and dual port with this one too.
So that is .022" without any gasket???
 

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This isn't the same situation but similar enough that I thought I'd post it here. Just came in today from the FAA. "less is more..."

SUBJ: Powerplant - Prohibited use of sealant.
SAIB:
NE-16-13
Date:
March 8, 2016
This is information only. Recommendations aren’t mandatory.
Introduction
This Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin (SAIB) alerts registered owners, operators, maintenance personnel, and certificated repair facilities of all airplanes equipped with Continental Motors, Inc. (CMI) engines (some models operating with AVGAS) of the available service instructions for proper installation procedures and approved materials for joining engine case halves and installing cylinders. Note: Continental Titan brand engines or Continental (Jet –A) Diesel engines may have different requirements for sealants.
At this time, the airworthiness concern is not an unsafe condition that would warrant airworthiness directive action under Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations (14 CFR) part 39.
Background
This SAIB is prompted by multiple reports of engine failure related to the improper and unauthorized use of certain sealants during engine case half assembly and/or cylinder installation. These sealants may be commonly referred to as room-temperature vulcanizing (RTV), RTV sealant, RTV adhesive, or gasket maker. These sealants are not approved for installations on CMI engines listed in the service documents referenced below. It is vital that you refer to the manufacturer and model-specific maintenance and overhaul manuals and service instructions for approved materials and procedures.
Proper cylinder deck stud and through-bolt pre-load is critical during the assembly of an engine. Direct measurement of bolt pre-load is not possible during installation. However, it can be assumed to be correct through accurate torque measurement of installation nuts or bolt heads, but only if proper assembly procedures and approved materials are used. The use of approved lubricants and procedures is absolutely essential to achieve proper bolt pre-load. If certain sealants are used between the case halves or under the cylinder decks during the assembly process, the coating layer can create a “soft joint” and allow relative movement of the faying surfaces. Within a few operating hours, the sealant will creep and the joined components may loosen and fret. Eventually, the main crankshaft bearings may migrate or rotate and loss of proper bolt pre-load may occur. In addition, extruded sealant on the engine interior can detach, migrate into the oil passages, and block oil flow. Once any of these conditions occur, catastrophic engine damage can result. Applying any unapproved sealant (RTV, gasket maker, etc.) to the crankcase cylinder deck, cylinder deck chamfer, cylinder mounting flange, cylinder base O-ring, cylinder fastener threads, or crankcase main bearing bosses is not an approved procedure.
Recommendations
The FAA recommends that owners, operators, and maintenance personnel read and adhere to the contents of the following service publications when performing maintenance to these products:
 
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