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[ManiacalMark]

Black oak around here= Piss oak

 

[MustangMike]

Leaves almost don't look like Oak, and the heartwood is real rich, dark color. Real hard stuff. I gave some real twisted grain stump stuff to a wood turner, and he said it was too hard to work with.

 

[MustangMike]

Black oak around here= Piss oak

It mills nice, tight grain, lighter color than Red, and the natural edge is full of different colors.

BTU level was less than other Oak and Hard Maple, but above Red Maple, etc.

 

[ManiacalMark]

Maybe it was rock oak, my grandpa and his buddies cut it back in the day to make fence posts.

 

[MustangMike]

I think they preferred Black Locust, you put it in the ground and it stays like new! Opposite of most wood, only the part above ground weathers and eventually rots. Those white posts they used to use to hold the 3 wire guard rails were made from Locust.

 

[ManiacalMark]

He said whichever one it was made for decent posts, that's what they cut when they ran out of locust.

 

[MustangMike]

Plain old White Oak is pretty durable also, that is what they used to build ships with.

 

[ManiacalMark]

People here wouldn't waste white oak for fence posts.

 

[MustangMike]

It is good wood. They still use it for the locks on the Erie Canal, can't even make anything synthetic that works as well.

 

[Dub11]

“Soft” maple is still fairly hard and that wood is probably froze I bet. When wood freezes it’s harder to cut and harder on chains than normal.

When stuff freezes it get harder? I dont *f-wording believe it man.

You guys are turning this into a hybrid thread

It's a good sign that you made an excellent saws since they can't whine about *s-word.

 

[drf256]

It is good wood. They still use it for the locks on the Erie Canal, can't even make anything synthetic that works as well.

Mike taught me the leaf difference in White vs Red oak. They use white to make Barrels and for wine presses.

My simplest detection method is by smelling it after a cut. White oak smells like Vanilla to the nose after cutting it, where as Red Oak smells like dog shít.

 

[5000+]

You can blow through the end grain of a short slice of red oak but not white. The cell structure "lines up" in red oak, not in white.

 

[huskyboy]

If the oak is straight, free of big ugly knots and tight grained it’s used for veneer and worth quite a bit. A lot of oak is used for railroad ties and flooring too.

 

[huskyboy]

White, black and red oak (from left to right). The black almost looks like a red/black cross. This one is what I think is a 100% true black.

 

[Woodpecker]

White, black and red oak (from left to right). The black almost looks like a red/black cross. View attachment 159815 This one is what I think is a 100% true black. View attachment 159816

Looks like black to me. You guys really picked a convoluted species to discuss. There about 600 different "oaks" world wide. As far as I know they will not cross between white and red. Meaning whites can cross with whites and red can cross with reds but never white and red.

 

[MustangMike]

From the interweb:

"Black oak is well known to readily hybridize with other members of the red oak (Quercus sect. Lobatae) group of oaks being one parent in at least a dozen different named hybrids"

No wonder it is so tough to figure out, and one person thinks one thing, and someone else another!

 

[Woodpecker]

From the interweb:

"Black oak is well known to readily hybridize with other members of the red oak (Quercus sect. Lobatae) group of oaks being one parent in at least a dozen different named hybrids"

No wonder it is so tough to figure out, and one person thinks one thing, and someone else another!

Welcome to the life of an arborist.

As far as I'm concerned there are about a dozen people in the world that are genius level as far as tree identification. The rest of us are just doing the best we can.

 

[hseII]

Dibbs on this CFB461.

Mine needs a mate.

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[GCJenks204]

Dibbs on this CFB461.

Mine needs a mate.

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Last I checked I can still get new ones of most flavours.

 

[hseII]

Last I checked I can still get new ones of most flavours.

Thank You.