World's First MS500i Case Split

[Catman]

Everything is Covid convenient nowadays, if it’s late it’s Covid, if it’s broken it’s Covid, if it sucks to be you it’s Covid!

 

[Brush Ape]

Quite the generational difference in responsibility and accountability.
When we were young. These are the things we were told and the parents kept their promises.

1. If you get a whooping at school I can guarantee you -- you'll get a better one when you get home.

2. When going to stay the night at the cousins my dad would say -- If he gets out of line, whoop his tail. He'll get another when he gets home.

3. Don't ever talk back to your mama or give her any grief. If you do -- I'll deal with you when I get home. He did.

4. In this house, everybody works -- period. And we all did, and still do. Funny how starting early and being consistent pays off.

5. If we were on the road and acted out in the car, dad would look in the mirror and say, when you get home you're getting a whooping.
When we got home we did the holy-dance with the belt in the back room.

Funny thing how responsibility and accountability and absolute rules work. Today, everyone gets a trophy. Most candidates for a job want a paycheck but wont work.
Most of the time the entitled suckers wouldn't work in a pie factory as a taste tester. Ok. I'm done now.

I lived like that. I feel like having my ass beat and living beneath the potential cloud of the threat of constant violence made me a much worse person. The teachers and principals plus many parents actually got off on that stuff. Beating and threatening kids is not my cup of tea. Ass beatings never made America. If they did look at it now. But they didn’t. If you are right and stand in the truth, karma gonna sort it all out. If you are wrong that ass whipping is coming with interest. Somebody hits a kid, the problem is the adult failed to communicate thus is less than an adult whereas society should have preemptively kept that biologically intact adult from reproducing. I say stem the flow of violence at the top by beating the grownup’s ass so he keeps things in his pants until he learns basic communication skills.
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[BangBang77]

I disagree.

A lack of ass beatings and focus on "self-esteem" and asinine "time-outs" created the current state of America.

The America that grew up getting an ass beating works hard, respects the flag, respects their elders, and opens the door for folks.

 

[Brush Ape]

If you take time to communicate effectively, you can get all that stuff done and harbor trust between generations.

 

[BangBang77]

I agree that effective communication is key.

But sometimes boot to ass sends a more effective message.

 

[JohnnyBlade]

Quite the generational difference in responsibility and accountability.
When we were young. These are the things we were told and the parents kept their promises.

1. If you get a whooping at school I can guarantee you -- you'll get a better one when you get home.

2. When going to stay the night at the cousins my dad would say -- If he gets out of line, whoop his tail. He'll get another when he gets home.

3. Don't ever talk back to your mama or give her any grief. If you do -- I'll deal with you when I get home. He did.

4. In this house, everybody works -- period. And we all did, and still do. Funny how starting early and being consistent pays off.

5. If we were on the road and acted out in the car, dad would look in the mirror and say, when you get home you're getting a whooping.
When we got home we did the holy-dance with the belt in the back room.

Funny thing how responsibility and accountability and absolute rules work. Today, everyone gets a trophy. Most candidates for a job want a paycheck but wont work.
Most of the time the entitled suckers wouldn't work in a pie factory as a taste tester. Ok. I'm done now.

Funny how that works. I remember gettin the belt one time......and only once. U str8n ur *s-word up after that Well i learned a new word in the 3 Grade from a buddy... i came home, mom asked how my day was and i said “i got to piss”..... my dad got home from work and mom told him what i did. bent over the bed i was and i never forget. “Dad said this is gonna hurt me alot more than u” i got one good crack and i think the noise scared me more than it hurt. I think i think I disappointed my dad more than I made him mad. Dont think ive disappointed him since. I remember the first time i cussed in front of my mom (dad was there) i was in my early 30’s and i bit my tounge and look at dad. All went well but i still watch my mouth around mom at 40 kids or anyone really just have no respect today. Its sad

 

[Brush Ape]

Do you respect our flag because you got beat into it or because someone took the time to explain right and wrong? Do you open the door for someone too lazy to do it for themself who would also use it as an opportunity to slit your throat? Do you open doors for those whose sense of self-entitlement demands it? What message are you sending now?
Do you respect elders who burned our flag in the 1960’s?

The folks who built and maintain this machine draw lines in the sand AND make sure you know what the lines mean.

 

[Brush Ape]

“Dad said this is gonna hurt me alot more than u” i got one good crack and i think the noise scared me more than it hurt. I think

That’s another one that gets me. My Dad was a hard guy that came from even harder guys. But he never betrayed my trust by lying to me about whose ass was gonna hurt more in an ass whooping situation. Mom did not either. It was to be obvious who it was gonna hurt more. A boot to an ass is convenient. You gotta understand everything is a tradeoff. See the Law of Conservation of Energy. Go pay nine bucks for a pack of Winstons because earning and spending nine bucks is more convenient for you than doing with your lungs what nature made them to do. See me in fifteen years and we’ll communicate more effectively about long-term costs based on current convenience.

 

[Brush Ape]

Here’s another one, do you think third-world countries don’t whip their kids’ ass?? Haha. Ass beating made America. Lol.

 

[JohnnyBlade]

That’s another one that gets me. My Dad was a hard guy that came from even harder guys. But he never betrayed my trust by lying to me about whose ass was gonna hurt more in an ass whooping situation. Mom did not either. It was to be obvious who it was gonna hurt more. A boot to an ass is convenient. You gotta understand everything is a tradeoff. See the Law of Conservation of Energy. Go pay nine bucks for a pack of Winstons because earning and spending nine bucks is more convenient for you than doing with your lungs what nature made them to do. See me in fifteen years and we’ll communicate more effectively about long-term costs based on current convenience.

U missed my point, Im gonna pass. And i wasnt talking to u anyways.

 

[Mastermind]

Y'all ruined my damn thread.

 

[Brush Ape]

It’s not ruined Randy. Harder to find the center without the tangent.

You never know where a challenging discussion might surface.

 

[Brush Ape]

I always stood for the little people.

There are really only two rules:

1. Don’t be a pussy.
2. Don’t be a bully.

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[Stump Shot]

Poor Randy, everyone is getting spanked in his thread but him. Lol

 

[Mastermind]

While we are on the subject of ass beatings.....I'll share.

My dad was a drunk. A mean abusive drunk. Now there is five of us boys, and I'm the youngest. One by one he drove my brothers away. Once one of us reached the age where we would try to stand up to him it would get ugly. He took it out on mom, or the younger boys until the older one left. I remember the belt....and the fist.

We all wound up in jail at one time or another. A more dysfunctional family you would have a tough time finding. Thank God he left mom for a younger woman when I was about 8 or 10. After that we were finally able to have a normal life.

The mfer died when I was 18.....my brothers and I carried him to a hole in the ground somewhere in North Carolina, but I can't recall where exactly.

Just know.....there are exceptions to every rule. Dad didn't raise us to respect anything. All we ever learned from him was to fight, and fight hard. Get tough or die sort of environment.

Mom was the one who had morals. She showed us that hard work paid off. After dad left she worked waiting tables till the breakfast rush ended, then went to school till time to work the dinner crowd. She became an industrial engineer, and made a good living.

When we got older, we all turned out ok. Three of my brothers are multi-millionaires that made their money from hard work and perseverance. The traits that mom taught us. We all pooled together to make sure mom never wanted for anything as she reached retirement age.

Just passed the second anniversary of mom's death....she was almost 90 when she died.

 

[Mastermind]

Poor Randy, everyone is getting spanked in his thread but him. Lol

That's ok.....I'm not easy to spank.

 

[Agent Smith]

I think there is a very wide and clear line between spanking some butt and just beating the *s-wordt outta your kids. I have 2 kids. Not mine but from my old ladies first and only marriage. She got rid of him because he chose drugs over his kids so she took the kids and left and filed for divorce. He was actually just found dead in a drug house in flint MI recently so the old lady and I are trying to clean that mess up with the kids but that's another story for another day. When we started dating her kids were out of control in every way. She's a push over and the kids knew it where as I am not. As time went on and I took on more of the disciplinary role in the relationship, things got dealt with the way I was raised. Mouths got smacked for back talk and butts got spanked when needed. They learned if they purposely destroyed someone's property, something of theirs got destroyed so they know how it feels. Talking, yelling and time outs did nothing. Now they're much better than they used to be and act like civilized human beings. I just give a look now and they listen. The way the system wants to raise our kids for us these days and tell parents basically kids are in charge is well... why you see disrespectful little aholes running around treating people however they see fit

 

[Brush Ape]

I buried my Dad with his own shovel. The gravedigger protested until I suggested in dead earnest that he take a paid day’s respite. I made sure the clay got moved and that man stayed where he got put.
That having been said, I was told by a man with several kids that raising them was like managing a spring. You would compress it then it would spring back only for you to compress it again.
That is the manchild way of perpetuating one’s chaos. Raising a child is more like threading a nut onto a bolt. First of all you need the correct parts whether you make or acquire them. Next you put it together. Of course you can gall things up by forcing it to cross thread in your haste. Or you can even drive the nut on. Let’s act like mature mechanics here and thread it on properly so it is useful for the life of the components so it won’t be a salvaged thing later which requires re-treading or replacement.
I liked Harry Reasoner’s 60 Minutes piece on Hippies back when that phenomenon made itself known. He stated to the effect that when you can grow a beard that means leaving the innocence of childhood behind and making the leap from that to wisdom. If you are the progenitor of an intelligent species, act intelligent. Figure out what you are doing. Then starting with specific appropriate material, tap the threads, torque it on and go back to work.
Set it and forget it and you won’t have to punch anybody and they won’t punch you.

 

[MustangMike]

My take, for what ever it is worth:

The pendulum has to be in the middle, but rarely is.

My Dad never hit us with a belt (or anything else). He always said you hit your kids with an open hand so you know how hard you are hitting them. That does not mean we did not get our hands smacked, we did, but I never felt it was abuse. That, and being sent to your room when you wanted to be playing with your friends outside, were terrible punishments!

In todays world, too many kids are on drugs (to treat ADD, etc) and parents are afraid to discipline their kids. One girl in the neighborhood said in school that "she got hit … real hard". Next thing you know child protective services are at the house, and the parents are afraid to touch the kid, and she is out of control! (Trust me, these parents are not abusive, the older daughter is just a very difficult kid).

There is no "one right answer" for every situation. Some kids need a lot more discipline than others. With them, a lack of discipline does not end well, and you are not doing them any favors by not disciplining them. Society sometimes gets too involved with the "no hit em" rule!

I'll use one of my dogs as an analogy. Lucy (a pit mix rescue) was out of control when we got her, she chased everything with a motor like a lunatic. One day when I opened the gate (to our fenced in backyard) she charged through and went straight for the neighbor cutting his lawn, but luckily just bit the tire on the lawn mower (till he shut it off). I knew if something did not change, she would die. She wanted to charge out of any open door and chase the garbage truck, fuel oil truck etc.

You could hit Lucy with a baseball bat and she would not give a crap, but she is deathly afraid of the water spray bottle. For several months, every time I cut the lawn, I locked Lucy in the backyard with me, got on the riding mower, and sprayed her with the water bottle every time she tried to chase it. IT WORKED! (eventually)

Now, I can let Lucy off the leash even when the neighbor is mowing his lawn, and she does not even try to chase him. I'm pretty sure I saved her life, she was going to get run over by a truck. Sooner or later, a door would open at the wrong time and she would be gone. Not any more!

My point is, you have to determine what may work in each situation, and do it. When that girl in the neighborhood curses at her mother, I would wash her mouth out with soap. That is what would happen to me when I was disrespectful. Her parents are even afraid to do that!

 

[MustangMike]

Sounds like your Mom was quite the woman Randy … real glad that you had her and her guidance, it obviously paid dividends!

Matt's Dad is an Industrial Engineer (and a PE).