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A steam donkey. With a few drums.

It would be innovative at the time to be rigged between two spars and run something similar to a slackline setup, or maybe even shotgun (gravity) rigging with what we would now call a shotgun carriage with multiple fixed length chokers hung off a running carriage that goes up and down with the skyline. Those donkey engines were all friction rigs, which makes the gravity rigging a lot easier than a modern tower that’s hydraulic.

Another option is horses. Or, again it would be early, but crawler tractors and arches. Something like a Cat RD Series tractor with a winch on the back and an Athey wagon arch hitched behind it.
 
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There goes a huge question

At this site and this was for good purpose only YouTube videos were and still allowed

However planet moved from YouTube to TikTok so is now the time to accept the videos we upload also at TikTok platform?
You should be able to post a link to a TikTok video here.
 

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You should be able to post a link to a TikTok video here.
Hi, i will try though it be link and not video itself

And I think that links posted should be considered by admins more dangerous than the videos

But i m just a guest in the forum its up to admins to decide
 

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A steam donkey. With a few drums.

It would be innovative at the time to be rigged between two spars and run something similar to a slackline setup, or maybe even shotgun (gravity) rigging with what we would now call a shotgun carriage with multiple fixed length chokers hung off a running carriage that goes up and down with the skyline. Those donkey engines were all friction rigs, which makes the gravity rigging a lot easier than a modern tower that’s hydraulic.

Another option is horses. Or, again it would be early, but crawler tractors and arches. Something like a Cat RD Series tractor with a winch on the back and an Athey wagon arch hitched behind it.
Whilst reading about the history of this mountain I came across that the road was cut and log skidded with an allis chalmers skidder, and while googling AC I found this. Seems like a function that should come back.

 

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This is where I've been poking around, going to try to figure out which sites where which by the stumps and gear found. @Catbuster

OLD SAWMILLS ON SANTA ROSA MOUNTAIN



There have been three sawmills on Santa Rosa Mountain that I am aware of and I have been told that for a short time some trees were cut, and the logs transported off the mountain to a sawmill down near San Bernardino. Mr. Clarence Contreras (personal communique) told me that the first of the sawmills was on the south side of the mountain. According to Clarence (ibid.), this sawmill was located on Indian Reservation land near the Old Santa Rosa Village and was operated in the 1920s. He said that most of the lumber was used to build the houses on the Santa Rosa Indian Reservation and because the lumber was not completely cured, many of these houses have warped over time (ibid.). Apparently, this sawmill did not have a finish planning mill, so all the lumber was rough cut (ibid.). Since the Santa Rosa Reservation was established in 1907 (Eargle 1986:134) it is possible that this mill started working before the 1920s.



We were told by Mr. Nightingale that the exterior slab lumber used to build the horse coral, horse shed, and the car port at our cabin came from this old sawmill. The best we can tell, our cabin was built about 1934, so if this lumber came from that mill it was probably obtained from left over scrap piles after the sawmill had shut down.



Clarence told me that the mill was operated by a Mr. Newt Angel, a man from San Diego County (ibid.). While working on some potential sources for archaeological lithic materials I ran across the name Newton Angel, a tourmaline prospector from northern San Diego County (Rynerson 1967:124). Rynerson also shows a picture of Mr. Angel and his eight sons at their homestead in San Diego County (ibid.:30). I believe this is the same person referred to by Clarence as the operator of the sawmill.



While talking with Mr. Paul Boggs, he reminded me of the second sawmill, one that I had totally forgotten about. This mill was operated for a short time during W.W.II and was a portable sawmill set up at the large flat along the road up the mountain about a mile and a half up from Highway 74. Paul (personal communiqué) recalled going with his dad, Paul Boggs, Sr., up to the mill to buy the lumber that they used to add a room onto the house and to build the garage. He (ibid.) recalled that the logs were cut up on the mountain and then trucked down to the sawmill for cutting, that the mill only produced rough cut lumber, and that the mill had an automatic feed for cutting the logs but that the logs had to be pushed back manually for the next cut.



Since they had no way of transporting the lumber down to their place, his dad hired Mr. Art Guanche and his brother to use their truck to haul the lumber down to the construction site. I now remember passing this old mill when we made trips up to Mr. Steve Ragsdale’s old log cabin, once even having to pull over to let a logging truck pass. The flat where this portable mill was located later became an area for setting out beehives.



The third sawmill was erected by Mr. Arthur Nightingale up on the north face of the mountain. It was located just above what the timber line was back then and was built shortly after W.W.II ended, probably late 1945 or early 1946. Mr. Nightingale extended the road that went to the Pigeon Creek prospect / mine up to the sawmill sight. The logs were cut up on the mountain and skidded by cat down to the mill. They were stored in a pile and rolled up a ramp into the mill. This mill had automatic feed and return and had a saw dust burner just east of it. The saw dust was blown up through a pipe from the cutting area to the burner. The basal portion of the burner is the only thing remaining of this old sawmill. The lumber was stacked near the mill and allowed to sun dry for a short period of time before being hauled down the mountain. The rough-cut lumber was then trucked down the hill to the planning mill at Pinyon Flats. This planning mill, known locally as “the sticker plant,” was located down in the hollow to the east of the present-day transfer station. Here the rough-cut lumber was planned smooth and shaped into several different varieties of finished lumber. Some of it was made into 1 x 12 ship-lap paneling wood.



Mr. Nightingale cut the road up to the mill with his old orange Allis Charmers cat, the same cat used to put in the water lines here at the Pinyon Pines subdivision. The blade on the cat was cable operated, so cutting the road up the mountain was not an easy task. This same cat was used to skidding the logs off the hill and down to the mill. The old road had two sharp turns where the lumber trucks usually had to make several forward and backward moves before they could get around them, especially when they were loaded with very long pieces of lumber. This was sometimes a real problem when the long boards would sag and drop down almost to the ground, this made backing up the trucks rather tricky. This old road is presently shown on the USFS maps as the “Sawmill Trail 5E03.”



The sawmill was not in operation very long, as it was apparently a marginal operation at best. When one of the mill workers fell between the logs as they were being rolled up the ramp and into the mill and that was apparently the end. He was crushed between the logs and broke several ribs and some other bones. While he did not fully recover from the accident, I was told he did get well enough to walk again. He and his wife lived here at Pinyon, but I cannot remember their names. I believe his wife’s first name was Fanny, but I am not even sure of that.



After the mill shut down, Mr. Nightingale gave my grandfather the old tool shed up at the sawmill. Our family went up and took apart the old tool shed and hauled it back to our place at Pinyon Pines using my grandfather’s old utility trailer pulled behind his 1939 Chevrolet. That lumber was used to enlarge the kitchen and to build the front porch at our cabin. In talking with my half-brother, Mr. Robert E. Lee, we think this was sometime in the fall of 1946. He returned from Europe in 1945 after going with Gen. Patton from the second wave at Normandy up to the Russian linkup near Berlin and thinks it was about a year after he got back that we went up and got the tool shed.
 

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Whilst reading about the history of this mountain I came across that the road was cut and log skidded with an allis chalmers skidder, and while googling AC I found this. Seems like a function that should come back.

Being in the construction field and equipment operator i can confirm this function is still in use today...our wheel loaders all have this style bucket .
It's very handy in tight quarters and backfilling trenches .

Ernie
 

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Whilst reading about the history of this mountain I came across that the road was cut and log skidded with an allis chalmers skidder, and while googling AC I found this. Seems like a function that should come back.


On track loaders that function has mostly been killed off by the use of excavators when it comes to loading trucks. Or really, the modern hydraulic excavator has killed off the track loader for most things on construction sites that are any larger than residential sites. Most of the time they’re used on utility or site development projects for backfill, toting pipe/drainage structures in poor underfoot conditions. They’re still a handy machine, but with the rise of reasonably sized and capable hydraulic excavators over the last 35-40 years the crawler loader has lost a lot of its popularity despite it being super handy tool.

On wheel loaders those side dump buckets are still very prevalent for doing things like toting rock for pipe bedding & padding or filling bedding boxes in tight quarters where the loader can’t turn to square up to the place it needs to dump.
 

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While most of the planet still on "pre-order" list i got it yesterday in my hands, one of the very first people

Well the ordinary people and not the "show queens" that get them for test for a few days and then return them.

Now let's see if this device which supposedly is revolutionary is ok for Real Work in my conditions
 

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View attachment 466875View attachment 466876Art Blackbird

While most of the planet still on "pre-order" list i got it yesterday in my hands, one of the very first people

Well the ordinary people and not the "show queens" that get them for test for a few days and then return them.

Now let's see if this device which supposedly is revolutionary is ok for Real Work in my conditions
Let us know how you like it. My Akimbo is on it’s last settings with a 13mm rope. I’ll be in the market soon.
 

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Let us know how you like it. My Akimbo is on it’s last settings with a 13mm rope. I’ll be in the market soon.
And i was about that

Today first TEST FLIGHT

Starting combined 2 ropes one with Distel and attached at the other side the Blackbird to see the initial movement in SRT of course

I was like that the pine was Double and after that used it alone in the next pines

Friendly house had to clear the pines so no rush no real client and today did a total of 6

Used a "like new Xstatic which for me is the best rope

Here we go

-Midline attachment- not easy takes time, stiff and at least 3 moving parts inside to put the rope. Slow in the ground even slower up in the tree. It's not only the "push pin" to open.

- has 2 settings low/heavy friction up to 12mm and then another head for bigger ropes that you have to screw and interchange.

I used the low/heavy friction and i believe the low friction is the best

It moves smoothly BUT suddenly feels like a handbrake and then again it releases really instantly that aint good

For sure it's milking ropes more than any device i had like Blue original Akimbo, ZZ+ or RRP

MENTION that pines in my country are different full or resins and ropes/mechanisms shut off

Working here feels like Medieval torture no space for throwlines etc for the most part at Pines.

Worked most ascenders missing only some American stuff like bones or Rock Exotica other than Akimbo due to CE

And i finish my first review as

Blackbird needs transition time -training to get used I personally cannot trust it within a day like i did with ZZ or RRP

For me personally and the situations i have to handle there is only one God and that is prusik knot. I believe any arborist can solve any problem with a knot and a Isc squirrel it's the only way i feel confident to work in the worst environment


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IMG_6160.jpegIMG_6161.jpegIMG_6162.jpegIMG_6163.jpegIMG_6164.jpegLet us know how you like it. My Akimbo is on it’s last settings with a 13mm rope. I’ll be in the market soon.
Let's get a more detailed function review

Don't mess with me with Grammar if it is a head or cam or piston, i ll describe it cause English not my native

Lets start

You see there are 2 heads
One factory installed up to 11.9mm and another in the box up to 13mm
You can see the heads are inside from the trigger release

And there is also low/high friction choice everytime available. I tested it and yes it works you can feel and see results

FOLLOW THE STRAW TO UNDERSTAND FUNCTIONALITY

There is a spring pin down once you press the smaller part comes down and circle backwards and then press again to send the whole mechanism forward. That looks easy?

Then you have to set the rope inside and Odyssey begins
The lower part is pretty stiff and you have to align with the mid part, there it's gets nasty you have to use your finger to press the cam (which ouyside has the ring for srt) so rope can sit.

In reality it's a Swiss precision watch mechanism that training needed to have everything aligned

Now during work in a hurry, dirty sticky gloves like mine with resin and alot of other difficulties not sure.

I believe though that at the very end once Blackbird gets a few work cycles and moves become routine it will be the mechanism to
Conquer the planet

Akimbo 2.0 is nothing other than choosing the can for ropes so there is NOTHING revolutionary there

If i was in your position I would buy Blackbird cause there is nothing else out to justify
 

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Not meaning to be a smart-arse here, so seriously no offense intended.
Props to you guys that wander around in the tree tops, so many gizmos and ropes to understand and use safely & efficiently. Everyone takes risks in their professions, but not every profession has the possibility of free-falling through branches and stobs to a very abrupt stop at the bottom.
I'm a happy guy when I can walk through the tangled brush on the ground without busting my ass when cleaning storm damage or cutting felled trees for firewood.
Thanks for what you do!
 
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